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Originally Posted by acdii
Would rather have a Hybrid, best of both worlds. No angst about range, uses far less fuel and cleaner burning, with zero emissions at times. I can't drive cars because of my back, 20 minutes in one and I am in severe pain, can only drive trucks and a Lightning cost more than my F-450, so whats the advantage of it? None. I still need my F-450 because the Lightning can't do any of what I use the F-450 for. Come out with a Diesel Electric Hybrid F-450 and I'm there.
It's also the worst of both worlds. All the negatives of ICE AND all the negatives of an EV/battery. More complex than a ICE only or EV only vehicle.

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Old 10-29-2023, 04:54 AM
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A Tesla doesn't require any oil changes
Yes it does.
 
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Yes it does.
Don't know about the Tesla, but my Leaf does require an oil change for the "transfer" case. It's a long interval.
 
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Originally Posted by ATC Crazy
It's also the worst of both worlds. All the negatives of ICE AND all the negatives of an EV/battery. More complex than a ICE only or EV only vehicle.

No thanks.
It may be more complex, but for commuter appliances, a hybrid's main battery does reduce significant amount of wear on the ICE motor and alternator, brakes, transmission, among other parts, due to avoiding peak loads in stop-and-go traffic and reduced idling, while being much lighter than a comparable EV and thus less expensive overall and less impact on the roads. Of course this only applies to lighter vehicles and only in cars that do a lot of driving in heavy traffic. For cars that don't do a lot of stop an go, a simple ICE car is the most cost effective.

There is a reason why the Ford Fusion hybrid (now discontinued) turned out to be one of the most reliable FWD Ford ever made. A replacement battery pack wasn't too expensive since it is a very small one.
 
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It may be more complex, but for commuter appliances, a hybrid's main battery does reduce significant amount of wear on the ICE motor and alternator, brakes, transmission, among other parts, due to avoiding peak loads in stop-and-go traffic and reduced idling, while being much lighter than a comparable EV and thus less expensive overall and less impact on the roads. Of course this only applies to lighter vehicles and only in cars that do a lot of driving in heavy traffic. For cars that don't do a lot of stop an go, a simple ICE car is the most cost effective.

There is a reason why the Ford Fusion hybrid (not discontinued) turned out to be one of the most reliable FWD Ford ever made. A replacement battery pack wasn't too expensive since it is a very small one.
Exactly right... For small/average, vehicles a hybrid IS actually the only way to go, IMO it's the best of both words... My wife's Prius C consistently goes 500+ miles per 9.5 gallon tank, 125+ of those miles without the ICE motor running... as for reliability, it's 12 years old and never been in the shop...
 
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Exactly right... For small/average, vehicles a hybrid IS actually the only way to go, IMO it's the best of both words... My wife's Prius C consistently goes 500+ miles per 9.5 gallon tank, 125+ of those miles without the ICE motor running... as for reliability, it's 12 years old and never been in the shop...
The Prius C was a real game changer in getting away from the prior Prius stigma by being very functional and looking like a "regular" car like the Yaris. I sometimes wish I got one when they were still on sale, but I understand the Corolla Hybrids are picking up where the Prius C left off, albeit without the hatchback form factor.
 
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If it’s on the news, it must be true
 
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"Going forward, Fields (former Ford CEO) said, the automakers are going to have to closely examine their production processes, looking for ways to increase efficiencies to make up for the added labor cost that will result from the new deals. Ford, for example, said that the contract would make each vehicle the company produces around $900 more expensive.

"Automation in the plants is now going to look a lot more compelling," Fields said, noting that these coming cost-saving efforts will influence the automakers' "future investment decisions and hiring decisions."

Fields added that the terms of the contract do give the automakers room to explore greater automation."
 
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Sounds like my truck. Except my oil changes are more in line with the computer rather than every 5K. That's a lot of money unnecessarily spent. But to each his own!
That computer is programmed to have the truck fail as close to after the warranty is up as possible. 5k on oil, 15k on fuel, 30k on trans and differentials will keep it much longer.
 
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This could change a persons mind about EV/Hybrid trucks:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/06/th...generator/amp/
 
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This could change a persons mind about EV/Hybrid trucks:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/06/th...generator/amp/
Wont change mine.
 
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Originally Posted by RandyinTN
This could change a persons mind about EV/Hybrid trucks:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/06/th...generator/amp/
I don’t see a price or price range mentioned. I imagine many buyers can’t decide on a vehicle without knowing the price.
 
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This could change a persons mind about EV/Hybrid trucks:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/06/th...generator/amp/

....and this is why it won't be a hit...Ram execs emphasized that there is no direct mechanical path from the engine to the wheels. That detail is what the company is hanging its battery-electric truck hat on.

“There’s no connection between this generator assembly and the wheels, like one might find in even a plug-in hybrid — all of the propulsion is electrical,” Ram Trucks chief engineer Doug Killian said. “And that’s really important to that story of this being an electric vehicle.”

ICE engines are much more reliable than generators.
 
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ICE engines are much more reliable than generators.
Really...??? Generators and electrics have been around for close to 100 years, like in diesel electric trains, that can pull 100,000 + tons, quite reliably... It sounds exactly what needs to happen in HD trucks, a hybrid that can "actually" do the job... Unlike a full plug-in EV that can't, just yet...
 
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