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I'm looking at a 2005 Excursion Edie Bauer that's in incredible shape but has a ton of miles on it's 6.0. I'd be willing to pull the trigger on a new HO 6.7. Are their any issues with the transmission and transfer case handling that power? Also, what modifications would be needed under the hood to fit that monster? Thank you.
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It would be a control system’s nightmare to try to put a 6.7 in anything it didn’t originally come in.
Your realistic choices are either rebuild/ replace the 6.0 with another 6.0 or do a Cummins swap.
There are multiple companies in the automotive aftermarket who’s entire business model is making/ selling Cummins conversion parts, and vehicles that came factory with the crap-tastic 6.0 are the most common ones that are Cummins converted.
Afaik, there are exactly zero companies out there making parts to put Powerstroke engines in vehicles they didn’t come in.
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Your realistic choices are either rebuild/ replace the 6.0 with another 6.0 or do a Cummins swap.
There are multiple companies in the automotive aftermarket who’s entire business model is making/ selling Cummins conversion parts, and vehicles that came factory with the crap-tastic 6.0 are the most common ones that are Cummins converted.
Afaik, there are exactly zero companies out there making parts to put Powerstroke engines in vehicles they didn’t come in.
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Huh? Whats unreliable about the 6.0? Besides minor stuff Im at 307,000 miles on my 6.0 Excursion and runs perfect and isnt studded! Dont understand a comment like that... for every problem one, there are 50 good ones!
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The 6.0 is an over complicated turd of an engine. Yes after much work and fixing it’s LONG, LONG list of known issues and maintaining a constant watch on every system, it can be made halfway decent.
Its reputation for unreliability is well earned. Also, you do realize that even if it where only 1 out of every 50 that were bad, that’s still extremely horrible. A decent number would be more like one bad one in every 10,000.
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not to mention the class action lawsuit that was all about the 6.0s reliably, self destructing in some cases being reparable but at very high costs, and other times completely grenading the engine with metal shards when the HPOP turned into metal confetti and pumped its own bits through all the oil passages and bearings before the engine rolled to a stop.
Are you the first owner? If not, have you had the heads off to see that the previous owner didn't already do the studs(or other stuff)? If your not the original owner and you haven't had the heads off, then you don't actually know whats in there, if you have had the heads off, why did you have them off?
Are you the first owner? If not, have you had the heads off to see that the previous owner didn't already do the studs(or other stuff)? If your not the original owner and you haven't had the heads off, then you don't actually know whats in there, if you have had the heads off, why did you have them off?
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not to mention the class action lawsuit that was all about the 6.0s reliably, self destructing in some cases being reparable but at very high costs, and other times completely grenading the engine with metal shards when the HPOP turned into metal confetti and pumped its own bits through all the oil passages and bearings before the engine rolled to a stop.
Are you the first owner? If not, have you had the heads off to see that the previous owner didn't already do the studs(or other stuff)? If your not the original owner and you haven't had the heads off, then you don't actually know whats in there, if you have had the heads off, why did you have them off?
Are you the first owner? If not, have you had the heads off to see that the previous owner didn't already do the studs(or other stuff)? If your not the original owner and you haven't had the heads off, then you don't actually know whats in there, if you have had the heads off, why did you have them off?
You do realize that you can see some of the studs from outside looking at the 6.0. Easy to see if it’s been studded.
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I'm looking at a 2005 Excursion Edie Bauer that's in incredible shape but has a ton of miles on it's 6.0. I'd be willing to pull the trigger on a new HO 6.7. Are their any issues with the transmission and transfer case handling that power? Also, what modifications would be needed under the hood to fit that monster? Thank you.
However, if you're set on a swap, the Cummins swap is by far the easiest and most supported out there. You can keep the drivetrain you have and the 5R will handle all the power you want to give it (within reason). It just depends on how resilient your pocketbook is.
Given that you'd pull the trigger on a new 6.7, why not go Cummins 6.7 and p-pump it? That's a sweet setup and can make some decent power. There are ways to run a "stock" Cummins 6.7 but it's fairly involved and you'd have to go to the Cummins Forum to get that expertise.
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I've had my 6.0 for 15+ years and only got rid of the egr, had the oil cooler go, and did hte blue spring. Other than that bone stock and a quarter million miles. Has had little stuff, but nothing major.
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