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Old Jul 10, 2023 | 05:01 PM
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If this truck has a manual transmission, is the clutch working? If you have a manual transmission, make sure it's in neutral so if it is stuck, the starter can turn the engine and the transmission together.
 
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Old Jul 10, 2023 | 08:57 PM
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I pulled the starter and it was a huge pain in the butt. I basically had to use a hammer to tap it off. It was really stuck on there.

But, once it was off, I saw this:


I performed a bench test after watching multiple YouTube videos and it didn’t spin OR extend. It just sort of momentarily just jumped off center. So, I suppose it’s now confirmed that it’s fried.

Once I pulled that POS an off (with a hammer), I used my 18” breaker bar again to try to rotate the motor around and to my surprise the it was then crankable! Crazy.

So, the starter was somehow jamming up the flywheel?

I’ve got a new starter ordered that I’ll pick up tomorrow and hope to get installed and get my old 85 truck cranking again!

also, it’s a manual transmission and an inline 300 6 cylinder. Sorry for not mentioning that earlier.

also also, I’d thrive in a zombie apocalypse…

More to follow once I get the new starter installed!
 
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Old Jul 10, 2023 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonto Kowalski
also, I’d thrive in a zombie apocalypse…



Last I checked, "thrive" does NOT mean to be offered as a sacrifice to save the lives of others.

Nice find on the starter. How do the teeth look on the flywheel ring gear?
 
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Old Jul 10, 2023 | 09:17 PM
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See I told you to pull the starter and see what happens.
A starter replacement is a lot better than a motor.
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Old Jul 10, 2023 | 09:28 PM
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See I told you to pull the starter and see what happens...
Dave, there's no need to gloat, especially when I beat you to it by 4 posts and nearly an entire hour.

No judgement, as always. I've got to figure you're not accustomed to the sensation of being right.
 
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Old Jul 10, 2023 | 10:54 PM
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That starter looks like a Motorcraft original. Has the part number stamped on it I think. I'm surprised these guys didn't tell you which replacement to buy. You didn't get one of those lifetime guarantee rebuild-o-matics did you?

As a marketing guy you probably sniffed out that scam and went OEM or top shelf NAPA.. .yeah that's the ticket!

You're doing great so far!
 
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Old Jul 11, 2023 | 06:10 AM
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I'm trying to understand how the starter, which is not supposed to contact any moving parts other than while starting the engine, can freeze up the rotation of the crankshaft.

Somehow, that gear on the end of the starter shaft must have frozen in the start position ?

I'll say that starter looks pretty dirty, is that clutch fibers ?
 
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Old Jul 11, 2023 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity
I'm trying to understand how the starter, which is not supposed to contact any moving parts other than while starting the engine, can freeze up the rotation of the crankshaft.

Somehow, that gear on the end of the starter shaft must have frozen in the start position ?

I'll say that starter looks pretty dirty, is that clutch fibers ?
it definitely had some metal shavings down there. Not sure where they came from, but it’s a pretty new clutch as well.




if I can figure out how to post a video I’ll show you what it was doing on the bench test…
 
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Old Jul 11, 2023 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonto Kowalski
it definitely had some metal shavings down there. Not sure where they came from, but it’s a pretty new clutch as well.




if I can figure out how to post a video I’ll show you what it was doing on the bench test…
Something sis wore out on the nose of the starter. See all those scratches behind the gear teeth on that round silver thing. Those scratches should not be there, it's going out too far and rubbing the flywheel.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2023 | 05:55 PM
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https://youtube.com/shorts/mKPUD071uHc?feature=share

or Click here
 
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Old Jul 11, 2023 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonto Kowalski
That starter is SHOT! Or were you looking for a second opinion?:


 
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Old Jul 12, 2023 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Franklin2
Something sis wore out on the nose of the starter. See all those scratches behind the gear teeth on that round silver thing. Those scratches should not be there, it's going out too far and rubbing the flywheel.
Looks like the 2-3mm thick bushing could be missing. Had the bushing disintegrate on a rebuilt I had installed.

Bushing missing. Bushing in place.



 
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Old Jul 12, 2023 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Tonto Kowalski
I’ve got a new starter ordered...
Where did you order this new starter? Please see this recent thread for a discussion about the poor quality of some replacements out there:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ter-issue.html


I'd hate to see you waste your time installing a new unit from Fling Dung or Wok Hoam, or a Krylon "rebuild" (with lifetime warranty so it must be good!) from one of the discount chains.
 
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Old Jul 12, 2023 | 10:59 AM
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Hey now, at least with the lifetime warranty, he has a good chance of getting good at replacing them. I recall, back about 2008, replacing 4 lifetime free axles before I got a good one.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2023 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonto Kowalski
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that electric power stapler.

Oh, an installation suggestion from an all thumbs bonehead. If you find it difficult to get the starter back into the hole, try cranking the front wheels to a new angle. I fought mine for a couple afternoons until I realized the stearing parts were blocking the way. Cranked the wheels over, and the starter fell in place.

Remember, free advice is worth every penny you pay for it.
 
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