Thanks Dono,

I was just going to ignore it.

Waxy

 

As sad as it is this saying is true:
"Read it and weep"
You ain't seen nothing.

http://endangered.fws.gov/wildlife.html#Species

 

Great link DCN.

I'll have to spend some more time there.

Waxy

 

Well nothing on this planet ever remains static. Even before man came into the fray, whole species dies out on a regular basis. I agree we have sped up the process in many cases. I also agree that the oceans are being over harvested. The Japanese are high profile violators as are the Koreans. The Japanese are smarter though and don't get in as much doo-doo. They are out in the ocean beyond the territorial limits harvesting the salmon runs before they can get back to spawn. And they just decimate all other species that get in the way.
On another note you have a situation like happened in Texas several years ago when we relocated a bunch of Vietnamese fishermen and they didn't observe local protocall. I am not sure how that ever turned out. The press found something more sensational to focus on before it all got played out.
And on a more ridiculous note, I heard that some consideration was being made to tearing all the hydro electric dams out of the Columbia River so the salmon could come back. It is sad that the river no longer has a salmon run but to trade the electricity of millions of people for fish? HMM, make you own opinion here.

 

The question is why do the Japanese eat so much fish? Because they don't have the room for all the cattle. Beef has always been uncommon in Japan I think and fish are part of their cultural as beef is ours. So they fish.

I to have problems with some of the fishing practices because they are so effective. But if you take away their fish you need to get them interested in eating something else that is affordable and practical.

 

It's an awful problem, mainly related to overpopulation, but as Theo points out, a lot of waste.

One idea is to stop trawlers, they scoop everything and devastate habitat. Seiners with larger holes in the nets to let the smaller fish get away would help. Targeted fishing is the answer, harvest only the specie you want, nothing else. Terribly inefficent, but the only hope for the sea.

From a purely objective standpoint, we need to knock off about half the world population of people and let nature do her thing. Fewer dams, less pressure on food production, more open space for nature to repair the terrible damage we've done.

Maybe this is the republican agenda, pull on everyones' hair until we have a devastating world war and not call uncle until the population is sustainable. It doesn't seem to be right now.

 

I almost despise the greenies but I do agree with them on this subject to an extent. Yes we are over fishing the ocean. I don't care what some "independent research study" says. You can't pull that much out with out giving some back.

I grew up and still live in Alaska where commercial fishing is a big part of life. I have many friends that make money off it. I don't like it. For one it kills off the returning species to streams. Leaving a weakened ecosystem and it brings the numbers of available sport fish down.

Some day they will put themselves out of work. We can fish the waters but we can't rape the waters. There is a balance but were tipping the scale far beyond what it can handle.

Even the small family owned fishing boats take a big toll. I used to fish the Kenia river ever summer for weeks on end. When I was young fishing was excellent. Now I go back each year and the returns just aren't there. There are certain days that the commercial fishermen can set out their nets and on those days even back when fishing was great was like someone turning off a faucet. The on;y fish caught on those days were from the day before still swimming around.

When you can close off a river to fish its no wonder why the number dwindle year after year.

The solution is moderation and responsibilty, but thats another argument in its own right.

 

Alanscott just posted this in the general forum.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...hreadid=173248

Waxy

 

Yup time to re-activate the USS New Jersey and send her out with the mission to sink every JAP Trawler.

 

Eat salmon. 90% of all salmon consumed is farm raised. I saw a show about the dye they feed them to give them the wild pink look

 

I saw a show on discovery channel once where the japs would catch sharks, cut off their top dorsal fin and throw the shark back into the water, which it soon died. Have a shark dorsal fin was the rage. Don't know what they did with it, maybe put it in a jar, who knows. You know how you keep them from over fishing? You tax the living crap out of them. Either that or what was previously mentioned, a few tomahawk cruise missiles.

I ain't generally a greenie either, don't give a rip if some oak tree is getting cut down or whatever,,,,,but for the first time, I agree with you Waxy. Something's got to give. Soon.

This is kinda like Freedom, don't appreciate it until it's gone.

 

Has anyone heard of drift nets? these nets can be up to 40 miles long.

 

agree with everyone here.
shark fin soup is a delicasy, even though most places dont use real sharks fins

the problem is that there is no political motivation to control the fishing industry like the many other food producers blatantly control food production in other countries (US corp.s controlling banana production for example, even though no bananas grow on US soil, or US dairy production destroying the free markets of nations that enter trade agreements for loans, like Jamaica).

I'm 100% for free market, but when corporations get big, the government is supposed to be there to break them down to their place, and in the fishing industry, its just not happening.

btw, i LOVE fish!

and that reminds me to my first train of thought the reason fish is expensive is NOT because there is a shortage of supply but because there is a shortage of demand
if the government wants to make itself useful, it would sponsor, or 'subsidize' like it does everything else fishing ponds where they grow sharks and mahi mahi and all sorts of other delicious fish

 

Ah yes... the ocean. My great friend the ocean. We tinker with it, we upset the balance, and we act like we own the nearly 80% of the planet covered by it. We have explored more of space than we have of the ocean. And we have become cognizant enough to realize that little changes in the ocean can do big things (ever see the effect of just a couple of degrees in water temperature on coral, kelp, or algae?). Yet... we still think as if we are the master of the ocean.

I've been to a part of the world, to be left un named, that the populace realized a pod of spinner dolphins migrated nearby. The subsequently rounded them up, drove them to shore, and slaughtered every last one of them (you Marines that have been to Nago know the area). Dolphins are seldom ever seen there anymore.

I'm not a tree hugger or anything. But I believe there is a balance. When you surpass that, bad things happen. When dealing with an ecosystem like the ocean, why can't we moderate? If we don't, we may never be the same.

Dan Q

 

You are correct the oceans are not a renewable resource………… at the rate we are depleting them.
The real problem is population explosion.
Something must be done.