HELP!! I have a F-350, trailer, CDL question
Cargo Master
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Now that's a new one to me.
So a F-450pu @ 14k and say a gooseneck with a 40K is legal in MI for non- commercial use?
Michigan is regarded as one of DOT enforcement states too.
OP, need more details, all the details.
Also, you just can't get a CDL without schooling anymore.
So a F-450pu @ 14k and say a gooseneck with a 40K is legal in MI for non- commercial use?
Michigan is regarded as one of DOT enforcement states too.
OP, need more details, all the details.
Also, you just can't get a CDL without schooling anymore.
Strange, but true.....and don't be a pound over. Also make sure if your not private to have your CDL and stay in your load range. I read and researched on this and called both the SOS and the State Police. Both said I could run the F350 to it's max and no more for private use only without a CDL. So I ordered a 350 rather then a 250. Michigan already has high insurance rate so mine didn't go up. One other thing to consider is Michigan has a high weight load on the roads. That's part of the reason they are looking at weight more then anything else. I said in a recent post seeing the state Police pulling over a diesel 250 with a goose neck and 3 trucks on a 40' trailer. DOT numbers or not, he was over his gcvw.
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Strange, but true.....and don't be a pound over. Also make sure if your not private to have your CDL and stay in your load range. I read and researched on this and called both the SOS and the State Police. Both said I could run the F350 to it's max and no more for private use only without a CDL. So I ordered a 350 rather then a 250. Michigan already has high insurance rate so mine didn't go up. One other thing to consider is Michigan has a high weight load on the roads. That's part of the reason they are looking at weight more then anything else. I said in a recent post seeing the state Police pulling over a diesel 250 with a goose neck and 3 trucks on a 40' trailer. DOT numbers or not, he was over his gcvw.
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Goosenecks, box trailers, flatbeds, etc *MIGHT* fall into a different category, depending on regs inb a given jurisdiction.
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Strange, but true.....and don't be a pound over. Also make sure if your not private to have your CDL and stay in your load range. I read and researched on this and called both the SOS and the State Police. Both said I could run the F350 to it's max and no more for private use only without a CDL. So I ordered a 350 rather then a 250. Michigan already has high insurance rate so mine didn't go up. One other thing to consider is Michigan has a high weight load on the roads. That's part of the reason they are looking at weight more then anything else. I said in a recent post seeing the state Police pulling over a diesel 250 with a goose neck and 3 trucks on a 40' trailer. DOT numbers or not, he was over his gcvw.
I've never seen a state give over 26,000 lb for personal, some states don't even give you that much off the top.
Is most of you know I run a commercial hot shot type business. I won't pretend to know about the lawless RV group..... Even though I do have two RV's in my fleet. They are they are considered a commercial vehicle and have DOT's on them along with ELDs.
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And in *MOST* states, RV’s are exempt from any special licensing, regardless of weight or tow rig. That’s why at times you will se a big 5er being pulled with a Peterbilt.
Goosenecks, box trailers, flatbeds, etc *MIGHT* fall into a different category, depending on regs inb a given jurisdiction.
Goosenecks, box trailers, flatbeds, etc *MIGHT* fall into a different category, depending on regs inb a given jurisdiction.
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I believe you can that anywhere. The tractor itself is under 26K and no endorsement for air brakes.
Most people believe CDL is needed at 26,001 when in reality, you can go up to 36,000.
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Link?
I've never seen a state give over 26,000 lb for personal, some states don't even give you that much off the top.
Is most of you know I run a commercial hot shot type business. I won't pretend to know about the lawless RV group..... Even though I do have two RV's in my fleet. They are they are considered a commercial vehicle and have DOT's on them along with ELDs.
I've never seen a state give over 26,000 lb for personal, some states don't even give you that much off the top.
Is most of you know I run a commercial hot shot type business. I won't pretend to know about the lawless RV group..... Even though I do have two RV's in my fleet. They are they are considered a commercial vehicle and have DOT's on them along with ELDs.
Why is the RV group lawless? What laws are they breaking? Any links you can provide?
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There is also no maximum like 26k, 36k before a cdl is needed.
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Which is kinda bizarre, if you think about it. We literally allow people to hitch up and tow, or jump in the driver's seat, of equipment that they likely have had no experience or training with, that in the trucking industry would require special licensing to operate, and let them go.
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I think federally private use is exempt up to a certain weight of axle. Its astronomical like 80k or something. And also over a certain number of passengers I believe.
The OP should check his state licensing website
The OP should check his state licensing website
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Private use still has to go by the maximum weights. 20,000 per single, 34,000 per tandem. Multiple axles gets into what is known as the “bridge formula”. I.E. how far apart axles groups are spaced, total number of axles, etc. Of course, pickups are never going to get close to those weights.