2023 Order Books?
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There are a number of things one must consider when ordering your vehicle (2023 Super Duty). You must do some research to find the dealer that works for you. If price is your main consideration, then search for the dealer that will accept X-Plan or some other price. Make sure you get something in writing. It should be a copy of your order with confirmation of your pricing. This is to protect you from either the dealer trying to change the price on you, or FORD increasing the prices. If FORD increases the price, a good dealer will know how to price protect you and keep your original price. Then you must make sure the COVP program is done. Only the dealer can tell you that it has been done and accepted by FORD. This is for retail orders to confirm you are a retail order and that the dealer has the documentation. You should then get an email confirmation for your order (COVP will not affect this email). If your dealer has not filled out the order with your email address, you will not get this message. I would also pay attention to the dealer priority number on the order. It should be between 19 and 10 with 10 being the highest. This is to allow the dealers to show FORD which orders are a higher priority for that dealership. A tie breaker within the same priority number is the date. So the earlier the date, it can affect the your priority. Also, as the year progresses, FORD will try to complete old orders so it may help you later if not selected. While there is no way to know a dealer's allocation, it can affect your order. Another thing that can affect the order is to put options/trims that are under constraint. Ice-Capades at the Blue Oval forum is one resource, Tim Bartz at Long McArthur Ford on YT is another who can help you find out what things on a Super Duty will make it less likely to be built due to shortages. I would try to put your order in ASAP both because of the order date, but they cut off orders last April for Super Duty and this year the Maverick order bank was only open 1 week, so no way to know how long the order banks will stay open. Just some info for you when you are thinking of ordering.
The date you ordered your truck also holds very little weight when you look at the people who ordered 8,9,10 or more months ago and still don't have a truck. Some people ordered trucks and took delivery in 10 weeks. There is no proof that any of that stuff has any weight or meaning to Ford. Trucks have been getting scheduled at random and supply constraints have come and gone in waves. You cannot predict what part Ford is going to have a shortage of because Ford doesn't even know yet.
Also, the MY22 order banks for super duties were open for a long time. The 2023 order banks are opening late and they will close early because Ford screwed up the timeline by keeping the MY2022 in production for so long just to balance out most of the orders and giving time to produce them before the MY2023s start production. MY23 is going to be a short production run before MY24.
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Half of what you said is totally untrue. Ford has priority numbers and many members in the 2022 Order thread would argue a higher priority number even a 2 is meaningless when there are thousands of trucks with the same priority number.
The date you ordered your truck also holds very little weight when you look at the people who ordered 8,9,10 or more months ago and still don't have a truck. Some people ordered trucks and took delivery in 10 weeks. There is no proof that any of that stuff has any weight or meaning to Ford. Trucks have been getting scheduled at random and supply constraints have come and gone in waves. You cannot predict what part Ford is going to have a shortage of because Ford doesn't even know yet.
Also, the MY22 order banks for super duties were open for a long time. The 2023 order banks are opening late and they will close early because Ford screwed up the timeline by keeping the MY2022 in production for so long just to balance out most of the orders and giving time to produce them before the MY2023s start production. MY23 is going to be a short production run before MY24.
The date you ordered your truck also holds very little weight when you look at the people who ordered 8,9,10 or more months ago and still don't have a truck. Some people ordered trucks and took delivery in 10 weeks. There is no proof that any of that stuff has any weight or meaning to Ford. Trucks have been getting scheduled at random and supply constraints have come and gone in waves. You cannot predict what part Ford is going to have a shortage of because Ford doesn't even know yet.
Also, the MY22 order banks for super duties were open for a long time. The 2023 order banks are opening late and they will close early because Ford screwed up the timeline by keeping the MY2022 in production for so long just to balance out most of the orders and giving time to produce them before the MY2023s start production. MY23 is going to be a short production run before MY24.
You are entitled to your opinion. But just because some orders or not selected for build, does not make what I say untrue. And don't think you read my post clearly. I don;t think you understand how FORD selects which vehicle to build. I have followed the FORD insiders as to how this happens. Some builds can wait because the dealer does not have allocation. Another reason is that the build that they have optioned, has things that are on constraint and FORD will look at the next order to find an order they can build. When FORD looks at a dealership with allocation, they start at priority 10 orders. The oldest date is looked at first. If they can build it, they will. If they cannot, they will go thru that priority by date and select the first one that can. If no priority 10 builds are acceptable, they will go to priority 11. And so on. As the year progresses, FORD does some things to try to build the oldest orders. But it is not a guarantee. You should watch Tim Bartz live stream on Tuesday and hear him explain these things.
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You are entitled to your opinion. But just because some orders or not selected for build, does not make what I say untrue. And don't think you read my post clearly. I don;t think you understand how FORD selects which vehicle to build. I have followed the FORD insiders as to how this happens. Some builds can wait because the dealer does not have allocation. Another reason is that the build that they have optioned, has things that are on constraint and FORD will look at the next order to find an order they can build. When FORD looks at a dealership with allocation, they start at priority 10 orders. The oldest date is looked at first. If they can build it, they will. If they cannot, they will go thru that priority by date and select the first one that can. If no priority 10 builds are acceptable, they will go to priority 11. And so on. As the year progresses, FORD does some things to try to build the oldest orders. But it is not a guarantee. You should watch Tim Bartz live stream on Tuesday and hear him explain these things.
It feels nice to believe that there is a rhyme or reason to Ford's Super Duty logistics from order to receipt but the reality is that no one from the dealer to Ford can give you an accurate timeline to when you can reasonably expect to take receipt of your truck before or after you order it.
There are built trucks just sitting in Kentucky for months awaiting parts and no one knows when their truck is coming. Ford has no problem updating estimated dates every 45 days without providing any further info.
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I priced out a 2022 and it’s $88,885. I do have xplan.
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You are entitled to your opinion. But just because some orders or not selected for build, does not make what I say untrue. And don't think you read my post clearly. I don;t think you understand how FORD selects which vehicle to build. I have followed the FORD insiders as to how this happens. Some builds can wait because the dealer does not have allocation. Another reason is that the build that they have optioned, has things that are on constraint and FORD will look at the next order to find an order they can build. When FORD looks at a dealership with allocation, they start at priority 10 orders. The oldest date is looked at first. If they can build it, they will. If they cannot, they will go thru that priority by date and select the first one that can. If no priority 10 builds are acceptable, they will go to priority 11. And so on. As the year progresses, FORD does some things to try to build the oldest orders. But it is not a guarantee. You should watch Tim Bartz live stream on Tuesday and hear him explain these things.
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Only dealer I found in Oregon who does xplan does not do price protection with xplan, which makes it pointless to find xplan given how many increases we have had and how long it takes to build.
Eg either I buy it at xplan on sticker msrp for 70k, or do ordered price without xplan with a 500 farm bureau discount for 70.5k ish.
I look forward to keeping that truck as long as possible because I don't want to spend any time dealing with dealerships.
Eg either I buy it at xplan on sticker msrp for 70k, or do ordered price without xplan with a 500 farm bureau discount for 70.5k ish.
I look forward to keeping that truck as long as possible because I don't want to spend any time dealing with dealerships.
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Today I spent an hour with my sales rep at Matthews Currie Ford in Venice Florida while waiting for service to replace the door lock actuator in my 2020 F-350 SWR.
He said they would gladly order a 2023 Super Duty with X-Plan (with price protection) when ordering opens up.
I have a King Ranch F-450 on order with him with price protected X-Plan. We have a VIN and production date is currently 11//7. He didn’t know if it will actually get built but having a VIN and date is a good sign. It may roll over to a 2023. He doesn’t know what offers there would be if it rolls over. But he said if it does roll into a 2023 expect another 6 months from order to delivery.
He said they would gladly order a 2023 Super Duty with X-Plan (with price protection) when ordering opens up.
I have a King Ranch F-450 on order with him with price protected X-Plan. We have a VIN and production date is currently 11//7. He didn’t know if it will actually get built but having a VIN and date is a good sign. It may roll over to a 2023. He doesn’t know what offers there would be if it rolls over. But he said if it does roll into a 2023 expect another 6 months from order to delivery.
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Only dealer I found in Oregon who does xplan does not do price protection with xplan, which makes it pointless to find xplan given how many increases we have had and how long it takes to build.
Eg either I buy it at xplan on sticker msrp for 70k, or do ordered price without xplan with a 500 farm bureau discount for 70.5k ish.
I look forward to keeping that truck as long as possible because I don't want to spend any time dealing with dealerships.
Eg either I buy it at xplan on sticker msrp for 70k, or do ordered price without xplan with a 500 farm bureau discount for 70.5k ish.
I look forward to keeping that truck as long as possible because I don't want to spend any time dealing with dealerships.
If your buying one off the lot from dealer stock then X-Plan price is what’s on the invoice when delivered.
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my 2022 f250 was built on monday 10/3/22 and i drove it home saturday 10/8/22 . if i was goiing to order a 2023 fsuperduty i would go to the city they are built . Jim ONeal Ford is only 12 miles down the road . i have 4 xplans for the 2023 superdutys if anyone is interested .
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my 2022 f250 was built on monday 10/3/22 and i drove it home saturday 10/8/22 . if i was goiing to order a 2023 fsuperduty i would go to the city they are built . Jim ONeal Ford is only 12 miles down the road . i have 4 xplans for the 2023 superdutys if anyone is interested .
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What I was trying to do was explain to the thread starter how FORD does things in order to increase his chances at getting his build in the least amount of time.
I don't usually argue much as there is no point. They have an opinion. Nothing is going change it. And they have a bias as they are waiting for their build. I was just trying to help out someone who is contemplating a new order. My mistake.
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For a $75,000 MSRP truck, invoice would be about $70,800
Xplan would be $70,800 - $284 + $275 = $70,791 or very close to invoice. Plus XPlan advantage is dealer fees are max of $100
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Yeah, I remember thinking X Plan is basically invoice... which is why I was pretty happy when I walked into my local dealer and they quoted me Invoice +$500. Of course their fees were $375, so that's a nice advantage about the fee cap with XPlan. I was happy that my dealership price protected me though, so depending on how you looked at it, I paid invoice + $500 at original agreed price, or due to price bumps, I simply paid invoice price on the actual price at time of delivery. If you are planning to attempt to order a 23, it may be worth joining one of those clubs and trying to get X Plan pricing though.