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Old Nov 9, 2003 | 05:14 PM
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Question Identify int/ext balance without removing pan??

I did several searches and couldn't find an answer.

I have a 78 block so my crank should be internally balanced, but the balancer spacer is 'weighted', indicating it is externally balanced (I have no flywheel/flexplate at this moment). I have no history on this engine and I am unsure of the crank year. Is it possible to identify int/ext balanced crank without removing the pan?

I did find one post where someone mentioned you may be able to determine by the bolt pattern....is this true?

Also, is there any weighting differences between int/ext harmonic balancers or is all the weighting done with the spacer?

Thanks for any info!!
 
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Old Nov 9, 2003 | 06:08 PM
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Your fine. They actually didn't switch over to internally balanced untill 1979, not '78.
 
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Old Nov 9, 2003 | 06:24 PM
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Check behind the Harmonic Balancer. If there is a winged spacer (hatchet) then it is externally balanced. I bet someone put the wrong spacer on your truck, or the motor isnt origional.
 
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Old Nov 9, 2003 | 06:34 PM
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Thanks for the response...but I guess I didn't make myself clear.

I know for sure my block is a 78, however, the spacer behind the harmonic balancer is 'weighted' or 'winged' or 'axe shaped' or however you want to call it.

I need to identify whether my crank is internally or externally balanced. I know interally is marked 2Y and externally is marked 3Y.

BUT.....is there a way of identifying the crank without pulling the oil pan???

I need to make sure the balancer spacer is matched to the crank. Then I can purchase the correct flexplate.

Thanks again
 
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Old Nov 9, 2003 | 08:33 PM
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Sorry, bear with me cuz I've got the flu so my posts have been a little loopy. Looking back at this thread I see that I said it backwards above, they didn't switch over to "externally" balanced till 79...which would make it weird indeed for you to have the "winged" or externally balanced spacer if it really was a 78 engine. But the engine date code doesn't mean much anyways. To answer your basic question though, I don't know of a means of id'ing the crank without dropping the pan, sorry.
 
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Old Nov 9, 2003 | 10:57 PM
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Its been 10+ years ago, but I ran into a balance problem on a switch I did from a 289 to a 302. One thing I remember is the 289 flywheel was a different bolt pattern than the 302 so I had to find a flywheel for the 302 then get a different torque convertor. Would the internally balanced crank have the long balancer area? Just my thoughts. If you are sure of the year get the same year flywheel.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 12:18 AM
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Yeller

I agree with the others, you will need to pull the oil pan to make sure.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 11:16 AM
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Yea.....I figured I'd have pull the pan. I was just hoping the rear bolt holes on the crank could tell me whether it was internally or externally balanced.

Thanks for the help
 
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Old Nov 14, 2003 | 10:27 PM
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I have a spare Im now working on. Its a 2y 1978 and I was told the spacer is missing. Is there a spacer not a hatchet I need? If so where do I get spacer ? thanks Jim
 
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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 12:30 AM
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Just wondering, what are we looking for when we pull the pan? I assume is is a number?
 
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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 08:39 AM
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Probably a casting # starting with a C or a D0 thru D8, If you see a casting # like D9, that means 79 so probably externally balanced.
 

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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by mobyhunr
I have a spare Im now working on. Its a 2y 1978 and I was told the spacer is missing. Is there a spacer not a hatchet I need? If so where do I get spacer ? thanks Jim
Hey mobyhunr,

Can you check your crank bolt hole spacing for me. I'm curious to know if the holes are evenly spaced or if any are off set, which would force the flywheel/flexplate to mount in only one location.

And yes you need a spacer without the weight (or hatchet). Besides the wreckers....I don't know were to find one. Maybe someone else can help you??
 
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by Junkyard Slug
Just wondering, what are we looking for when we pull the pan? I assume is is a number?
From what I've been told....your looking for the # 2Y or 3Y. 2Y indicates 78 and earlier (internally balanced) and 3Y is 79 and newer (externally balanced). Where on the crank it's located, I don't know, but if you do a search...you'll find the answer for sure, as I've seen it posted somewhere....
 
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Old Nov 18, 2003 | 12:16 AM
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Flexplate has offsets and only mounts oneway. I would have it checked for balance if your not sure before you put it together, right. thanks for the come bace on the spacer. ty, Jim
 
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Old Nov 18, 2003 | 12:27 AM
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I guess you'll have to drop the pan...
 
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