to add DEF or not----- when the gauge always shows full
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#17
That's the older style tank @kper05 The 2017+ uses a single sensor at the bottom of the tank that shoots a pulse up through the DEF to get the level. The OP has a 19 so newer system. Otherwise, I agree with you. Fill it when the screen pops up telling you to do so and don't think about it otherwise.
Since the DEF tank is known full, speakerfritz needs to drive for 2,000 miles and observe the gauge results. Or we are missing important information in the first post.
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#19
I'm honestly not sure how it works now. I remember when Curtis (Pocket) was here he explained it in detail as it was his wheelhouse with Ford. All I remember is when the 2017 redesign came out the DEF tank got bigger and lost its side probes in exchange for the single bottom sensor. This prevented the issue the 11-16's had with frequent filling fooling the system into thinking there was a problem.
#21
I have one of those DEF systems that always says its full. now before I go on...let me just say I am also one of those owners that have to drive two states away to get any decent service so I try to do a once a year drop off for everything....so no..just take my under warranty truck to the dealer yadda, yadda is not practical.
back to the DEF subject.
it always shows full and on every fuel tank full I add new clean never opened DEF . so far this has worked out...I never have run out yet...while the indicator always shows full.
this time around...I noticedafter filling the def...I can drive it around the block..and I can still add more def...I guess theres air entrapment or chambers that the def can settle into.
so after doing this for a while...I think I have it filled as much as possible.
maybe with my max filled def, there will be enough splashy splashy to dissolve the def crystals that prevent the indicator from working correctly.
I did the forscan SCR service after refilling as well.
hopefully when I bring it in to the dealer....they can fix it.
cheers
back to the DEF subject.
it always shows full and on every fuel tank full I add new clean never opened DEF . so far this has worked out...I never have run out yet...while the indicator always shows full.
this time around...I noticedafter filling the def...I can drive it around the block..and I can still add more def...I guess theres air entrapment or chambers that the def can settle into.
so after doing this for a while...I think I have it filled as much as possible.
maybe with my max filled def, there will be enough splashy splashy to dissolve the def crystals that prevent the indicator from working correctly.
I did the forscan SCR service after refilling as well.
hopefully when I bring it in to the dealer....they can fix it.
cheers
#22
I have a 2015 and had a problem with the Def 500 mile light coming on even when I just filled with Def. Got online and searched for several hours and came across 1 post that stated the same problem. He bought a box of premium blue at someone’s suggestion and it cleared up after about a day. Showed a picture of it actually desolving some of the crystallization . Bought a box and tried it and it solved my problem. For $30.00 worth looking at. At least it was $30.00 six months ago.
#23
I have a 2015 and had a problem with the Def 500 mile light coming on even when I just filled with Def. Got online and searched for several hours and came across 1 post that stated the same problem. He bought a box of premium blue at someone’s suggestion and it cleared up after about a day. Showed a picture of it actually desolving some of the crystallization . Bought a box and tried it and it solved my problem. For $30.00 worth looking at. At least it was $30.00 six months ago.
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I'm confused by your post. I read that you fill the DEF every time you fill the diesel tank. If that is the case, how can the tank ever get low? It only has a 7 gallon capacity.
I go 3 months before I need to add more, but that is dependent on how much you drive and or tow.
I go 3 months before I need to add more, but that is dependent on how much you drive and or tow.
thats right, my dash def gauge always shows full so there’s no way to tell if it’s nearing empty , etc.
not having a way to know when it’s nearing empty….since it’s always shows full…I just refill it every tank full of fuel.
it takes about a gallon and a half of def per 50 gallons of fuel.
i do not know if I let it run to empty if I would get any warnings since the dash is always indicating full.
even if I wait until two or three tanks of fuel goes by…it will still show full even though I’m adding 1.5 to 3 gallons of def.
so basically it consumes def, it’s just not accurately indicating how much def is left.
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I have a 2015 and had a problem with the Def 500 mile light coming on even when I just filled with Def. Got online and searched for several hours and came across 1 post that stated the same problem. He bought a box of premium blue at someone’s suggestion and it cleared up after about a day. Showed a picture of it actually desolving some of the crystallization . Bought a box and tried it and it solved my problem. For $30.00 worth looking at. At least it was $30.00 six months ago.
i switched to premium def to see if it makes a difference . Nothing yet. I’ve run 5 gallons of premium def thru it so far.
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#28
thats right, my dash def gauge always shows full so there’s no way to tell if it’s nearing empty , etc.
not having a way to know when it’s nearing empty….since it’s always shows full…I just refill it every tank full of fuel.
it takes about a gallon and a half of def per 50 gallons of fuel.
i do not know if I let it run to empty if I would get any warnings since the dash is always indicating full.
even if I wait until two or three tanks of fuel goes by…it will still show full even though I’m adding 1.5 to 3 gallons of def.
so basically it consumes def, it’s just not accurately indicating how much def is left.
not having a way to know when it’s nearing empty….since it’s always shows full…I just refill it every tank full of fuel.
it takes about a gallon and a half of def per 50 gallons of fuel.
i do not know if I let it run to empty if I would get any warnings since the dash is always indicating full.
even if I wait until two or three tanks of fuel goes by…it will still show full even though I’m adding 1.5 to 3 gallons of def.
so basically it consumes def, it’s just not accurately indicating how much def is left.
#29
toss this out there
since its been an ongoing issue,
and the systems have had some issues,
have you tried to use a pump and suck out all the def and see if it sets a light or changes gauge reading?
mine stays FULL until one day after a few hundred miles it will drop to 3/4 and then hang there for long long time, at least 500 miles, then it will go between 1/2 and 3/4 and then i top it off.
i have also had to stay at full for several tanks of fuel, then one day drop to 3/4
i have also driven straight for 10 hrs, and used 700 miles of fuel at 78 mph or more and it never changed from off full.
i have also driven the same route on return and it went down to 1/2
both trips it did passive re gens and kept the dpf around 20%
then did the same trip a few months later and dpf did a commanded regen and then kept it at 20% and used 3/4 def, i filled up and drove back the next day and it stayed full.
so i think the system has no real set of rules, so many variables in the logarithm from dpf egts, road speed, fuel quality, winds, temps etc.
i would drain the def tank and see if it makes a difference in gauge reading. or drop it and really empty it and see ??
since its been an ongoing issue,
and the systems have had some issues,
have you tried to use a pump and suck out all the def and see if it sets a light or changes gauge reading?
mine stays FULL until one day after a few hundred miles it will drop to 3/4 and then hang there for long long time, at least 500 miles, then it will go between 1/2 and 3/4 and then i top it off.
i have also had to stay at full for several tanks of fuel, then one day drop to 3/4
i have also driven straight for 10 hrs, and used 700 miles of fuel at 78 mph or more and it never changed from off full.
i have also driven the same route on return and it went down to 1/2
both trips it did passive re gens and kept the dpf around 20%
then did the same trip a few months later and dpf did a commanded regen and then kept it at 20% and used 3/4 def, i filled up and drove back the next day and it stayed full.
so i think the system has no real set of rules, so many variables in the logarithm from dpf egts, road speed, fuel quality, winds, temps etc.
i would drain the def tank and see if it makes a difference in gauge reading. or drop it and really empty it and see ??
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