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Old Mar 3, 2022 | 05:56 PM
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bad glowplug controller?

been running around town all day in my f350, injection pump is nearly gone and have to pour water on it to start it, last few starts today glow plug light stayed on for 20-30 seconds or so, then after the last start today (I didnt dare shut it off till I got home) the light stayed on, never went out during about an hour of driving, got home, shut the truck off, turned back to run and the light once again wouldnt go out, felt the wire on the number 5 plug and it was cool, didnt check others, but this tells me either: bad glow plugs and no resistance, or bad controller


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if it is the controller, is there any specific ones that are better than others? ive tossed around the idea of wiring it into a push button, but not sure I want to do that just yet
 
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Old Mar 4, 2022 | 06:38 AM
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MAW wire it to a push button. I replaced the controller on my 6.9l with a new one and it only lasted a few months. I even had to get a new set of wrenches so I could remove the controller from the head (1 1/16" I think). Of course the 7.3l controller is different. If you wire it to a push button make sure you put the switch on the ground of the controller. Good luck.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2022 | 06:43 AM
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the controller always has power, and always sends power, but cannot complete a circuit without grounding correct?

I thought if you grounded it (white wire ive been told) that would just let it run a cycle, I was imagining bypassing it entirely, but if it will run for as long as I hold the button (10 sec max) then I guess I will do it
also, if the controller is bad (light now blinks) then wouldnt that also mean powering it does nothing?

pardon my ignorance, ive had this thing a month
 
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Old Mar 8, 2022 | 11:08 AM
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https://www.dieselhub.com/maintenanc...ug-switch.html

i did mine and i like it, not too difficult,
 
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Old Mar 8, 2022 | 04:11 PM
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update: running the plugs by jumping the relay with a wrench

update 2: buying spare belts, alternator belt went, took my fan belt off, lost fan, power steering, charging, and vacuum for the brakes... found out at a red light on the highway, with a loaded trailer

good times

 
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Old Mar 9, 2022 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 4drocket
https://www.dieselhub.com/maintenanc...ug-switch.html

i did mine and i like it, not too difficult,
i wired mine similarly but i left the blue wire and white wire intact but for some reason it will not heat the plugs.... you can hear the solenoid click on when i press the button but when i cycle it (originally 10 seconds then 15 then up to 45) it still wont start oh and these are brand new GP's... any reason why if the solenoid clicks ON that it wouldn't heat the plugs??
 
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Old Mar 10, 2022 | 11:43 AM
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im not sure, i followed the instructions on that link i sent and mine works well, are they motorcraft gp? i know others can cause problems. maybe cut those wires u left attached? good luck
 
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Old Mar 10, 2022 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 4drocket
im not sure, i followed the instructions on that link i sent and mine works well, are they motorcraft gp? i know others can cause problems. maybe cut those wires u left attached? good luck
the shop guy told me thats all they use for the older fords so it could possibly be the non cut wires... guess ill have to give them a try...
 
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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 04:49 PM
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check to see if there is power out of the relay when the button is pushed. you may very well have a bad relay.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 05:30 PM
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check to see if there is power out of the relay when the button is pushed. you may very well have a bad relay.
well when i push the button i can hear the solenoid "click" so i assume that it is transferring power to the GP's... i need to check it to make sure the solenoid is transferring the power ....oh the fun of having a older vehicle....
 
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not all the time. there is very high current flowing through the relay. when you hear the "click" it is the contact plates closing. the contact plates get carbon arc from the high current.
they also spin a little bit each time applied. if they do not move, they continue to arc causing a no contact situation.
thin of crossing battery terminals with a wrench that black melted spot on the wrench is carbon arc. do it enough times in the same spots, and eventually they will no longer make contact.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2022 | 04:55 PM
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not all the time. there is very high current flowing through the relay. when you hear the "click" it is the contact plates closing. the contact plates get carbon arc from the high current.
they also spin a little bit each time applied. if they do not move, they continue to arc causing a no contact situation.
thin of crossing battery terminals with a wrench that black melted spot on the wrench is carbon arc. do it enough times in the same spots, and eventually they will no longer make contact.
​​​​​​hmmm well ill have to give it a check sometime this week. what voltage should it be on the other side when active?
 
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depends on battery condition. . if the glow plugs are on could be as low as 9-10 volts.
 
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