Strange question:

I'm ordering a f350 DRW with the 13k GVWR package, because it will be used for my farm (LLC) to occasionally haul client horses (and occasionally outside the 150 mile exemption radius). Horse trailer is also de-rated to 13k, so the combo is 26k lbs - 1 lbs under the need for a CDL.

The question is, if years down the road, CDL requirements change to a higher number, or I no longer use this truck for the LLC and only for the RV - is there a process with Ford to re-certify this truck and get a new sticker showing the 14k GVWR?

I see that the law appears to allow for re-cert, but my google-fu isn't coming up with much else.

(this is mostly academic - as I prob won't have a fifth wheel large enough to exceed the payload rating of the 13k gvwr, and if I do - I prob won't care much as long as I'm not exceeding the payload of a 14k model)

 

CDL requirements will not ever go up, maybe down.
And, so long as you don't exceed the tire ratings while hauling, you really have zero to worry about when hauling privately.

 

as stated, don't exceed tires or axle ratings and you will be fine. You could up the registration as well.

but private and especially towing your own RV you don't stop at the scales. NOT for hire is the key.

 

With truck empty weight and GVWR increasing, I guess I'm just hopeful they would scale it as well. Lost a lot of "capacity" over the years as trucks get heavier.

Yeah, I'm really not concerned about hauling private, but more for wondering if it's even possible. might be worthwhile if I ever sell it. Thanks!

 

That's something I'm still figuring out - is the RAWR the same as the 14k with the 13k derate? My assumption is the GVWR will be lowered 1000lbs and the payload reduced as well, but the RAWR stays the same (9900 lbs?)

 

axle ratings won't change.

 

When you get the de-rated GVWR, nothing physically changes on the truck, just the total GVWR. Axles and springs stay the same. This is only done for registration purposes.
My F450 was 16K, de-rated to 15K, I thought I was getting softer springs...NOT the case.

 

key phraseology
private versus for hire
once your private the world is different
here in texas if you drive a private vehicle that is over 26k gvwr you are required to get a NON commercial CDL license and take a driving test its a class B license , no air checks and a simplified test . i had to parallel park my 40 foot bus as part of test ...yes that is true.
once private you can pretty much ignore the gvwr ratings and not exceed the axle, brakes or tire rating
my bus chassis is built on a freightliner frame. the breakdown from freightliner is the brakes are the weak point and rated on the rear axle at 30k. but axle is rated at 20k lbs, but same axle at meritor is 23k lbs gawr
tires and wheels exceed the 20k rating by 2400lb per side.

private you do not stop at weigh stations.

for hire, follow the law and avoid the potential for fines or confiscation and liability if an accident occurs and a million dollar horse is injured or killed

personally if i was doing FOR HIRE work, i would have a separate truck for that and use a personal truck for my personal life

 

Nebraska Sucks...anything licensed for 10K # + has to have a DOT number, combined GVWR over 21K has to have a CDL. Doesn't apply to RV's but I can't pull my empty gooseneck trailer with out a CDL, 15K rated truck + 14K rated trailer = 29K. Looks like I'm getting a CDL

 

CDL requires attending a class now after this last Feb 7th!

I Wasn't sure about my new trailer being able to be 13k, and so I went and got my CLP (Commercial Leaners Permit) in Jan so I could avoid the class requirement and just take the regular inspection/road test within 6 months. But thankfully, my horse trailer mfg was willing to de-rate from 14 to 13k. With that and the ordered 13k dually, I'll be 1 pound under, which makes my wife happy because she didn't want to get a CDL either!

 

No such thing as a non-commercial CDL, the "C" in CDL stands for commercial.
What you get in Texas is either a class "C" license, which is the standard license for everyone who operates a car or pickup or truck or truck/trailer combo with a GVWR of 26K or less. Then there would be the license you have to operate your over 26K GVWR motorhome. But, if the OP was in Texas and wanted to operate a pickup and RV trailer with a GCWR over 26K he would have to get a class "A" license, class "A" being for 26K plus GCWR truck/trailer combinations. Class "B" like you have are for single units over 26K GVWR.

 

i failed to be clear , here in texas if you operate a private vehicle that is over 26kgvwr you are required to get a CLASS B license, which is a commercial rating in every sense, except private persons on private vehicles get the CDL test, minus almost all of it. we dont have to do an airbrake check or physical or pre tip tests inspections and no drive time restrictions, just a drive test and its just like a standard C license driving test. its very confusing. some test stations still dont understand how it works. but it does reduce insurance cost for being properly licensed for said bus . it does not apply to a truck pulling a heavy camper. which in contrast it SHOULD. it should also cover doing an AIRBRAKE test. it also reduces liability
in case of a wreck, because you are properly licensed. yes its very very confusing for us in this group.

i quote on my license " class B-veh w.gvwr 26001 lbs, provided towed vehilce is less than 10k lbs

 

So, there are commercial Leaners now? Is the pay good? been doing a lot of leaning over the years, but never thought I could do it commercially and get paid for it!

Anyway, for the most part for private use, it's all about the registrations, the all mighty vehicle taxes. If you do get pulled over under suspicion of weight, its going to be your license plate they look at the hardest, and not the GVWR. If you exceeded the registration, they fine you, plain and simple. If the plate exceeds the GVWR of the vehicle, they could care less and not even bother. As long as your plate matches or exceeds your load, that is all they care about.

Where GVWR does play a factor is in Civil proceedings and for a very small part Legal such as manslaughter or negligent Homicide, but those are extremely rare for private drivers. Civil cases are normally sealed up so you wont find anything on the internet, but just because you can't find it, doesn't mean they don't happen. If for some awful reason you are involved in a crash and your weight has exceeded the GVWR of either the truck or the trailer, someone is injured or killed, even if you are not at fault, some ambulance chaser can easily go after you. They can, and to believe it doesn't happen is just being ignorant. All they have to prove is negligence on your part and if they find you exceeded GVWR, they got you, that simple.