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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 07:58 AM
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pollution w/ diesels??

Do diesel motors pollute more than gas? I heard a guy saying this, and I wasn't sure if I believed that!

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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 10:03 AM
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That would depend on the understanding you had on pollution. If you think that a ton of nice black smoke pouring out of the exhaust is not pollution, diesels do not pollute.

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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 10:25 AM
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Diesels actually pollute the air less than gas engines. The black soot you see pouring from the stack of an 18-wheeler is mostly particulate matter that falls to the ground. Very little of that smoke actually pollutes the atmosphere. The environmental impact of all that soot landing on the topsoil is a matter that the EPA has never really addressed, however.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 10:48 AM
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Actually, its the particulate emissions that have kept diesels out of lighter trucks. They have tried exhaust "filters" but it is hard to make one that does not need servicing before 100k miles.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 11:32 AM
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If they would only make it easy to replace the filter, it would be no big deal to replace it before 100k. Like a cartridge filter that goes inline with the exhaust pipe.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 03:21 PM
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If they did that, I would have to change the thing every time I floored it to embarrass a mustang..

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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 04:56 PM
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black smoke or not any at all diesels do not polute as much as gasolines
 
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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 05:04 PM
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I believe particulates is the reason the freightliner vans haven't appeared yet at least in CA.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 05:43 PM
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Diesels can pollute as much as gas engines, they just release different exhaust matter. Most of the black smoke you guys are talking about is sulfur, because the diesels we have in this country is low grade high sulfur diesel. If we switched to high grade diesel fuel, we wouldn't have as many pollution problems.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 05:56 PM
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hmm, i thought they also emitted FAR, FAR mor NOX (oxides of nitrogen) which is the main ingredient in our lovley (red skies) here in cali.....no?
 
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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 06:22 PM
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N2O4

that might be the chemical I was thinking of. In addition to the sulfur.

And its all because we are too cheap to make high grade diesel fuel.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by mattsf250
hmm, i thought they also emitted FAR, FAR mor NOX (oxides of nitrogen) which is the main ingredient in our lovley (red skies) here in cali.....no?
Yep, NOx is an issue. Particulates are another. It's not the big particles that fall to the ground that the regulators are concerned about, it's the small ones that stay airborne long enough to get into the lungs - I believe the size is less than 10 microns.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 10:03 PM
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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 10:20 PM
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I always thought that the black cloud was carbon.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2003 | 11:07 PM
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I believe particulates is the reason the freightliner vans haven't appeared yet at least in CA.
someone owns a freightliner van up the street from me, unless im thinking of a different van.
 
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