Looking to buy first truck. Need help!
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With what you intend to tow, you would need an F-150 with a max tow pkg at the very least. In my mind, that's a white knuckle ride. The 250 will do that without breaking a sweat because it has a heavy duty everything (frame, suspension, tires, brakes, transmission, lower gearing typically) of which I value the bigger more powerful brakes the most.
it was bought to tow a tractor..the tractor is 3 or 4k lbs plus the trailer thats like 6-7k lbs not 10k lbs... its unlikely ill need to tow a 7k lb car but if that were to ever happen, my father has the old f250...which by the way the old f250 is only rated to tow 10k lbs...
the newer 150s have the same capability as the old 250s on paper.... i dunno
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First off: good to see you slumming around down here with us at times, Wiggums - and congrats in advance on the new Hybrid!
Was the 36 gallon tank/only V8 thing for certain model years? Cause we have the large tank on our '20...
OP: A pre-'18 5.0 V8 with the 6 speed auto is a nice truck, albeit a screamer. The 3.5 Ecoboost I'd really only want in '17 or later when they got the dual injection (and 10 speed auto). The Max Tow package includes a bunch of nice towing features that otherwise need to be ordered separately - I think it was only available with the 3.5EB up until model year '21 (and we'd be north of your price range going that new). If you are even thinking Chevy - just ask Wiggums about his experience...
Was the 36 gallon tank/only V8 thing for certain model years? Cause we have the large tank on our '20...
OP: A pre-'18 5.0 V8 with the 6 speed auto is a nice truck, albeit a screamer. The 3.5 Ecoboost I'd really only want in '17 or later when they got the dual injection (and 10 speed auto). The Max Tow package includes a bunch of nice towing features that otherwise need to be ordered separately - I think it was only available with the 3.5EB up until model year '21 (and we'd be north of your price range going that new). If you are even thinking Chevy - just ask Wiggums about his experience...
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#20
The Max Tow package was only offered with the 5.0 for a short period of time. Finding a used Max Tow will be quite a challenge. 5.0s with a 9.75 rear axle will give you a good clue. No truck with an 8.8 axle will have Max Tow.
The 5.0 Coyote V8 is anything but simple. It has zero in common with a 90s 5.0. It is a near exotic, all aluminum engine with 4 overhead cams. It has more moving parts than a V6 EcoBoost. I’m not knocking it, but keep in mind it’s anything but simple.
There are 2 completely different 5.0s in this generation. The one up to 2017 had cast iron cylinder liners in the block and was 302 cubic inches. 2018 and up is 100% aluminum and has a plasma coating in the aluminum cylinder bores, it is 307 cubic inches. The 2018s and 2019s had issues with using oil. That seems to have been taken care of by 2020.
The 5.0 Coyote V8 is anything but simple. It has zero in common with a 90s 5.0. It is a near exotic, all aluminum engine with 4 overhead cams. It has more moving parts than a V6 EcoBoost. I’m not knocking it, but keep in mind it’s anything but simple.
There are 2 completely different 5.0s in this generation. The one up to 2017 had cast iron cylinder liners in the block and was 302 cubic inches. 2018 and up is 100% aluminum and has a plasma coating in the aluminum cylinder bores, it is 307 cubic inches. The 2018s and 2019s had issues with using oil. That seems to have been taken care of by 2020.
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The Max Tow package was only offered with the 5.0 for a short period of time. Finding a used Max Tow will be quite a challenge. 5.0s with a 9.75 rear axle will give you a good clue. No truck with an 8.8 axle will have Max Tow.
The 5.0 Coyote V8 is anything but simple. It has zero in common with a 90s 5.0. It is a near exotic, all aluminum engine with 4 overhead cams. It has more moving parts than a V6 EcoBoost. I’m not knocking it, but keep in mind it’s anything but simple.
There are 2 completely different 5.0s in this generation. The one up to 2017 had cast iron cylinder liners in the block and was 302 cubic inches. 2018 and up is 100% aluminum and has a plasma coating in the aluminum cylinder bores, it is 307 cubic inches. The 2018s and 2019s had issues with using oil. That seems to have been taken care of by 2020.
The 5.0 Coyote V8 is anything but simple. It has zero in common with a 90s 5.0. It is a near exotic, all aluminum engine with 4 overhead cams. It has more moving parts than a V6 EcoBoost. I’m not knocking it, but keep in mind it’s anything but simple.
There are 2 completely different 5.0s in this generation. The one up to 2017 had cast iron cylinder liners in the block and was 302 cubic inches. 2018 and up is 100% aluminum and has a plasma coating in the aluminum cylinder bores, it is 307 cubic inches. The 2018s and 2019s had issues with using oil. That seems to have been taken care of by 2020.
without looking at the details i figured it was just a classic v8 engine...why do they need to get so complicated...so maybe ill look at the eco boost...what are the good years for the eco boost?
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you're correct. i am out of the loop on these things, especially trucks and have just started dipping my toes in the water in regards to looking into buying one.... i had just assumed that a naturally aspirated v8 would be much more simple than a twin turbo engine... yeah i was wrong.. im going to consider the 2017+ 3.5 eco boost or the pre 2018 v8 i think... i need to go test drive a few.
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Living and towing in the mountains....the ecoboost will outshine any N/A engine in that environment.
I have nothing bad to say about the 5.0L, there are plenty on the road with tons of hard miles on them and still running fine. But I am partial to the ecoboost perhaps because I own one and I know what they are capable of. The newer trucks with the 10 speed trans really made the ecoboost come alive with MPG's and more power.
With the EB motor, you're guaranteed to get the 9.75 axles however, in this day and age, you'll most likely not be able to find a limited slip axle. Most now are open / electronic locking which I think will prove to be more reliable and useful.
I have nothing bad to say about the 5.0L, there are plenty on the road with tons of hard miles on them and still running fine. But I am partial to the ecoboost perhaps because I own one and I know what they are capable of. The newer trucks with the 10 speed trans really made the ecoboost come alive with MPG's and more power.
With the EB motor, you're guaranteed to get the 9.75 axles however, in this day and age, you'll most likely not be able to find a limited slip axle. Most now are open / electronic locking which I think will prove to be more reliable and useful.
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Looks like your on the right track and getting a lot of good information here. Unfortunately I don’t have any experience with the EcoBoost but my wife and I both have a V8 F150. Mine is a 2013 5.0, 3.55 locking rear, with a crew cab and 6.5’ bed with 110k miles. It has the six speed transmission. My wife has a 2018 5.0, 3.73 locking rear, with a crew cab and 5.5 bed(wish it was 6.5). Her truck has 50k miles and a ten speed transmission. We pull a 6.5k camper with both trucks and they seem to handle it well.
Now the good and bad. If I had to pick a favorite between the two it would be the ‘13. It has been incredibly reliable except for a water pump but that was a very simple repair. However my wife’s ‘18 with the 3.73 and 10 speed and the newer version V8 will leave my ‘13 in the dust and the power delivery with the 10 speed is very smooth. Unfortunately her truck had the oil consumption issue that is mentioned here. We were lucky and the updated pcm and installed a new pcv and it solved the problem. Her truck unfortunately also received a new transmission at 45k miles. The tech told us the replacement had some updates and it is much better than the original one that went bad. He also told us that they almost never have to replace a 10 speed transmission so hopefully that will give you some piece of mind. I would also note that the 2018 5.0, at least in her truck, seems to be a noisy motor. I don’t think anything is really wrong with it as the noise has never got worse but several people have ask us if it was a diesel. Lol. I would also like to mention that the 2018 is a very early build. I think September of 2017 so that might explain some of the issues we’ve had. The replacement transmission we received would indicate that Ford has made some improvements since the earlier’18s. I say that because the replacement transmission is so much better shifting than the one that was originally in it. While her truck was in the shop they gave her a 2020 to drive with a 5.0 and most of the quirks her truck has I did not notice in the 2020.
Anyway just trying to help you with some of your questions and my opinions should not ever be confused with facts 😂🤪. Sounds like the EcoBoost guys have given you some good info on their motors as well.
One more thing… not sure what the newest truck is that you ever owned but these modern trucks (at least in my opinion) are different than older trucks. They are controlled by a lot more electronics so they act differently that the trucks from say the 90s. I used to think something was always wrong with my truck because my ‘95 “didn’t do that” but I just had to get used to the newer technology. Again my opinion not fact.
Good Luck in your search
Now the good and bad. If I had to pick a favorite between the two it would be the ‘13. It has been incredibly reliable except for a water pump but that was a very simple repair. However my wife’s ‘18 with the 3.73 and 10 speed and the newer version V8 will leave my ‘13 in the dust and the power delivery with the 10 speed is very smooth. Unfortunately her truck had the oil consumption issue that is mentioned here. We were lucky and the updated pcm and installed a new pcv and it solved the problem. Her truck unfortunately also received a new transmission at 45k miles. The tech told us the replacement had some updates and it is much better than the original one that went bad. He also told us that they almost never have to replace a 10 speed transmission so hopefully that will give you some piece of mind. I would also note that the 2018 5.0, at least in her truck, seems to be a noisy motor. I don’t think anything is really wrong with it as the noise has never got worse but several people have ask us if it was a diesel. Lol. I would also like to mention that the 2018 is a very early build. I think September of 2017 so that might explain some of the issues we’ve had. The replacement transmission we received would indicate that Ford has made some improvements since the earlier’18s. I say that because the replacement transmission is so much better shifting than the one that was originally in it. While her truck was in the shop they gave her a 2020 to drive with a 5.0 and most of the quirks her truck has I did not notice in the 2020.
Anyway just trying to help you with some of your questions and my opinions should not ever be confused with facts 😂🤪. Sounds like the EcoBoost guys have given you some good info on their motors as well.
One more thing… not sure what the newest truck is that you ever owned but these modern trucks (at least in my opinion) are different than older trucks. They are controlled by a lot more electronics so they act differently that the trucks from say the 90s. I used to think something was always wrong with my truck because my ‘95 “didn’t do that” but I just had to get used to the newer technology. Again my opinion not fact.
Good Luck in your search
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