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Old Jan 15, 2022 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 440 sixpack
If it was really that dire wouldn't they use a grade 8 bolt ? I'm not sure what grade they are but whatever it is they'd hold up to being tightened again.

This is simply a liability issue. if they don't supply new bolts and some idiot doesn't get the old ones tight then the lawyers would blame it on the bolts. if they give you new ones then anything that goes wrong is on you.
The limitation on reuse has nothing to do with the bolts tensile or shear strength. It is not simply a liability issue. The specialized bolt provides more clamping force than what can be achieved by simply tightening a standard bolt. Once the bolt has been used, it can no longer provide the designed clamping force. Similar to why cylinder head bolts are replaced instead of reused.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2022 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by shawnee1
Similar to why cylinder head bolts are replaced instead of reused.
Aren't most cylinder head bolts torque to yield? That's besides the fact that they are used in a much more critical application. I know some speculate that these bed bolts are tty, and that is why the 1 time use, but I don't believe they are actually tty. Ford has "one time use bolts" on all kinds of parts that are typically reusable on other vehicles. Shocks are one place that comes to mind. I'm inclined to believe liability might play a role in some of the "one time use" fasteners. Could be as simple as the bolts coming with thread locker pre-applied, and Ford not trusting that the individual removing the fastener will properly reapply. Who knows.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2022 | 12:24 PM
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The only reason I got new bedbolts, is because this kit is for a 2012 through 2016. So it’s not even the right kit so they sent me the wrong one

thats why it came with bed bolts. The 2017-2022 kit does not come with bed bolts

so now my truck is torn apart, and I have to wait until Tuesday to get a new kit
 
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Old Jan 15, 2022 | 12:57 PM
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I still believe it is the self locking feature built into the bolts that makes the OEM recomend not to reuse them
 
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Old Jan 15, 2022 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bobv60
I still believe it is the self locking feature built into the bolts that makes the OEM recomend not to reuse them
If by self locking you mean tri lobular bolts, well yes, it appears that is what they use. But my very limited understanding of this type of bolt does not include self locking (it appears they do have variations that tout self locking ability). From what I can tell, thread forming is their main feature. There is some thread cutting, and some thread deformation happening, I'm not clear on the specifics of that or how affected the threads are that are in contact when fully tightened.
Here is some brief info about the type of bed bolts used by Ford. It might not be exactly specific in wording to the Super Duty, but I do believe it applies. Also, I'm sure additional, more detailed info can be found elsewhere.

https://taptite.com/applications/ford-f150-box-bolt

.....and

 
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Old Jan 15, 2022 | 02:09 PM
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The right kit, which I did not receive, does not come with new bed bolts. No new bolts, means I reinstall the 1 month old factory bolts.

Same thing I did in my 2017, and never had an issue.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2022 | 02:57 PM
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Your original post ...
Originally Posted by husqvarna
I will be installing my Ford factory fifth wheel prep kit today in my 2022 F350, and they included new bed bolts in the kit. Can the old ones not be reused?
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The right kit, which I did not receive, does not come with new bed bolts. No new bolts, means I reinstall the 1 month old factory bolts.
Same thing I did in my 2017, and never had an issue.
So based on your 2017, it sounds like you already had an answer to your own question.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2022 | 04:12 PM
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It has nothing to do with strength, it's not a torque to yield bolt. The torque spec isn't anywhere close to the yield strength of the bolt.

There is a small bead of sealant on the neck of the bolt that is supposed to keep water and gunk out of the neck of the bolt.. if you're concerned about it, run a small amount of sealant (aviation form a gasket that gets brushed on would be a good application for this) around the top portion of the bolt is where the sealant was and torque it down.
 
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Old Jan 16, 2022 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by shawnee1
The limitation on reuse has nothing to do with the bolts tensile or shear strength. It is not simply a liability issue. The specialized bolt provides more clamping force than what can be achieved by simply tightening a standard bolt. Once the bolt has been used, it can no longer provide the designed clamping force. Similar to why cylinder head bolts are replaced instead of reused.
I'm no engine rebuilder as a profession, but have a least 40 - 50 rebuilds or tear downs and never replaced a head bolt or any other, except flywheel bolts and of course rusted or bogered fasteners. Never used a torque wrench except for head bolts either. My thoughts are the same as yours on clamping but I wonder how much is lost. An 8' bed can carry a lot of weight and that weight can multiply when sent in motion from a stop. I also believe liability has an aspect. When I grew up we didn't have stickers on everything warning you to not lay in the highway at night. Lawyers weren't allowed to advertise either, it was considered unethical.

I should also say the last time I was deep in a vehicle was 15 or so years ago.
 
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Old Jan 16, 2022 | 10:10 AM
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I reused them on an 8ft bed F150 and it would groan a little bit when twisting it like through a ditch or something. Was noticable after. Aluminum f150 which is similar.


Also if you need 5th wheel prep call a truck bed upfitter dealer. I just sold mine for $200, they usually throw them in the scrap bin.
 
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