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Thank you for the response, very helpful. Scale weight with a moderate load (some waste water, one propane tank, lithium battery) was 8,380 on rear axle. No snow travel with this load and no off road. I have a nice trailer toad connected via super magnum hitch with 3ft extension when pulling the car hauler. Keeps all the tongue weight off the truck.
Full transparency, but i actually own a 2022 GM diesel. Slide in campers seem to be more popular with Ford owners, so i was happy to find this forum! My bolt pattern is 8x180 and I have not found many wheel options! Vision has a 19.5" but I am not finding any high load capacity 18" rims.
I'm curious: How does this handle with the aux dolly? I've seen some of the manufacturer videos of swerving around in an SUV or whatever towing a big trailer, but they always look like the steer tires are having to work overtime to fight the dolly's spring-loaded steering in back. I don't think I've ever seen one of these behind a hitch extension.
I used to run Rickson back some time ago but a lot of people did use these Vision wheels.
No complaints that I remember except for maybe the backspacing.
I sold mine when I went to a smaller camper and loved the piece of mind when I had them.
Yeah, Rickson was the only game in town for a long time. I bought mine right before the end of that. About a year later I saw Vision suddenly appear and become popular. Soon after that, Rickson's web page seemed to become a static museum of what they once were.
I'm curious: How does this handle with the aux dolly? I've seen some of the manufacturer videos of swerving around in an SUV or whatever towing a big trailer, but they always look like the steer tires are having to work overtime to fight the dolly's spring-loaded steering in back. I don't think I've ever seen one of these behind a hitch extension.
Does it make entering driveways and ramps a pain?
Have only put on a few hundred miles with Toad, but happy so far. I have a narrow driveway and no issues turning with 28ft trailer. Works great to handle dips at hiway speeds. The Toad absorbs the extra weight coming down in the dip vs back of truck
Only draw back is backing up. You drop 2 pins to lock toad, but binds if making sharp turn in R.
Have only put on a few hundred miles with Toad, but happy so far. I have a narrow driveway and no issues turning with 28ft trailer. Works great to handle dips at hiway speeds. The Toad absorbs the extra weight coming down in the dip vs back of truck
Only draw back is backing up. You drop 2 pins to lock toad, but binds if making sharp turn in R.
Interesting, thanks!
Can it be used to unload some or all of the extra . . .
Originally Posted by Leeklm
weight varies around 8,200 lbs. The oem 18" 3,600 lb tires have been working so far, but...
. . . 1,000 pounds off the rear axle of the pickup? . . . like as measured in flat driving?
I imagine this would put some more weight on the front axle . . . but probably like a third of what it offloads from the rear axle . . . so 300 pounds added to the front axle for 900 removed from the rear (therefore 600 on the dolly) . . . ?
Or is there a vertical hinge point here?:
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Reason: Added the part in parenthesis
The front side of toad pivots and keeps virtually ALL tounge
weight off the truck. The main center bearing allows the Toad wheels to turn 20 deg in either direction, with turning being stabilized by the shocks you see in the attached pic.
I first came across the Toad with a friend using one behind his older class A. I figured no reason. It would not work for my application and after talking to the MFG, found people had success with truck campers , considering many owners are already maximizing load capacity with just the camper. The toads are made about an hour north of me, so ended up being very convenient!
Quick update on tire progress... mounted up my used "like new" set of goodyear G647 RSS tires on the 19.5 vision wheels. Tires balanced out with minimal weight being added. Made a test run with tires on front of truck and results were smooth and quiet.
Picked up a set of firestone AT take offs for the rear. One of those balanced out ok, but not as good as the goodyears. The other had a significant wobble and would not spin balance. Probably why they were take offs... Tire guy refunded the $$$.
Stopped in at my local Pomps commercial tire shop for their thoughts for rear of truck. They are big fans of the Bridgestone R238 all position/steer tire and the M729F drive tire. While the R238 all season is likely plenty good for my summertime use, I will probably go with the M729F. Will update...
Quick update on tire progress... mounted up my used "like new" set of goodyear G647 RSS tires on the 19.5 vision wheels. Tires balanced out with minimal weight being added. Made a test run with tires on front of truck and results were smooth and quiet.
Picked up a set of firestone AT take offs for the rear. One of those balanced out ok, but not as good as the goodyears. The other had a significant wobble and would not spin balance. Probably why they were take offs... Tire guy refunded the $$$.
Stopped in at my local Pomps commercial tire shop for their thoughts for rear of truck. They are big fans of the Bridgestone R238 all position/steer tire and the M729F drive tire. While the R238 all season is likely plenty good for my summertime use, I will probably go with the M729F. Will update...
Different tires front and rear? I wouldn’t plan on using 4wd without risk to the drivetrain.
agreed 100% if engaging 4wd for long periods, especially on a non slip surface. Most specs allow for a 1/4" variance in tire diameter, such is the case for people who do not rotate tires. In my scenario, the only time (which has not happened in 3 years) I would use 4wd in summer is if I was stuck in a mud hole and needed a short burst to get out. I typically do not haul much in winter and use dedicated Load E snow/ice tires-
Quick update... ended up with the Vision 19.5 wheels and Toyo drive tires and Goodyear RSS up front. Rides a little harsher when empty, but not bad at all. Loaded up with camper and trailer does take a little getting adjusted to. Ran 110psi rear and 85psi front. Definitely a little tread squirm, makes sense given tread depth is much greater (about 15/32) than standard tire- especially the half worn out oem tires I took off. I needed to ease into sharper curves (i.e posted 40mph) to avoid understeer due to a slower response at the wheel. Overall happy with results amd mostly a little more peace of mind vs overloading the E load tires. Kind of funny I now have wheels & tires for every occasion. 19.5 for summer camper use, 18" oem with snow/ tires, and 18" oem for those couple of months in-between camper and snow seasons. The wife just doesn't understand lol.
Quick update... ended up with the Vision 19.5 wheels and Toyo drive tires and Goodyear RSS up front. Rides a little harsher when empty, but not bad at all. Loaded up with camper and trailer does take a little getting adjusted to. Ran 110psi rear and 85psi front. Definitely a little tread squirm, makes sense given tread depth is much greater (about 15/32) than standard tire- especially the half worn out oem tires I took off. I needed to ease into sharper curves (i.e posted 40mph) to avoid understeer due to a slower response at the wheel. Overall happy with results amd mostly a little more peace of mind vs overloading the E load tires. Kind of funny I now have wheels & tires for every occasion. 19.5 for summer camper use, 18" oem with snow/ tires, and 18" oem for those couple of months in-between camper and snow seasons. The wife just doesn't understand lol.
I don't think that's "tread squirm" so much as a typical behavior for 19.5s. It feels that way even with smoother 19.5s. Conversely, deep-lugged MT 18" OEM tires with fresh tread experience zero squirm.
I hear ya on the tire arsenal. I was the same way when I had my F-350. Now I need to settle on a winter driving solution for the F-450, and I'm not sure the stock contis are it.
[QUOTE=SRWAF;21581264]I don't think that's "tread squirm" so much as a typical behavior for 19.5s. It feels that way even with smoother 19.5s. Conversely, deep-lugged MT 18" OEM tires with fresh tread experience zero squirm./QUOTE]
Good to know... i was a little concerned about it during the 100 mile trip out, but was much better on the return trip, which I think is me getting trained on how these tires respond.
I don't think that's "tread squirm" so much as a typical behavior for 19.5s. It feels that way even with smoother 19.5s. Conversely, deep-lugged MT 18" OEM tires with fresh tread experience zero squirm./QUOTE]
Good to know... i was a little concerned about it during the 100 mile trip out, but was much better on the return trip, which I think is me getting trained on how these tires respond.
As they wear in, it should diminish. Most folks here have said about 1000 miles in my recollection, but it depends on the tire and the suspension. It never really went away on my old truck, but was hardly even noticeable from the get-go on my current truck. Either way, you do indeed get used to it, and your steering inputs when changing lanes on rutted freeways will become light as a feather in no time.
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