I'm thinking the ING box is just crap. We all know how many bad parts are out there these days.

The bad cylinders have nothing to do with the ING box.

 

I would agree.
As for icing it would not start thst way after being off for a bit as you would have heat soak.
Icing would happen after driving a bit with cold air going through the carb till it got so bad the motor would not run.
Then as the heat soak set in and thawed out it would start and run again till next time.
That's how I see it working.
Dave ----

 

If it was the pickup coil, it would be bucking, kicking and probably backfire as well, at the least, hiccups.
or it would just be dead. At least in my experience.
I vote it is something else.
it almost sounds like a vacuum leak but I defer to the smarter guys and their thoughts.

 

dustyroad, here's the short version of my story.

92' Honda civic SI at about 160,000 miles, late 1997, car began to run bad and stall after running for a while. Let engine cool, car ran fine. The heat, cool cycle was not the same all the time, sometimes shorter, other times longer. Trusted mechanic did all kinds of testing, He left it running at idle for 45 minutes before it died for him, then he could do more testing. Yep, bad ING box, an $80 part, lots of money testing. A few months later, the car just died one day. The mechanic found the coil went bad and took the ING box with it.

At that time, we just put a rebuilt dizzy in, $120.00 which, if we had just done that back when the first issue showed up. I would have saved a bunch of money.

 

Well, I pulled the trigger and ordered a reman long block this morning. Turns out that recommended place in Spokane had a 2 month backlog when I tried to place my order. Trying to find a reman online was severely frustrating. So many vendors, but either they showed zero stock or you had to fill out a quote form, only then to be told they had zero stock.

I noticed many vendors were selling ATK remans, even if labeled differently. You could tell they were all from the same source because the part number and pictures were identical, no matter the vendor. I finally found AutoZone apparently had the only available reman anywhere, and could have it to me in two weeks. Their website only showed ship-to-home, but I'd much rather pick it up locally. I talked to the manager of my local store, and he easily arranged free shipping to their location. That will be a lot easier, as they will hold it for me and we can forklift it into the back of my truck. Shipping to home seemed like such as hassle, as you had to be there to meet the delivery, and then it's only tailgate to the end of the driveway. I've got a long sloped driveway and it would be very difficult to maneuver it around back.

The only other place that could get me an engine within a reasonable timeframe was Jeg's, but they were about $500 higher and I much preferred being able to deal with a local store.

 

Good deal and your supporting a local vendor.

 

Not quite sure AutoZone counts as a "local" vendor. Kinda like the Walmart of auto parts... But I do like having the nearby physical location in case I need to bang my shoe on the counter. Jegs only has one retail location, about 2400 miles away in Ohio.

 

The people that work there are local, you're supporting them.

 

Kudos to Autozone. I ordered the engine on December 1, and picked it up on the 6th. I was impressed. I wasn't expecting it for at least another week at best. Still getting the hoist ready, etc. Who do I blame in a situation like this?

The engine was shipped in a sturdy plastic crate, not just a pallet. I've got it under cover but it should be fine if a little rain hits it.

The old engine continued to run great on 6 cylinders. No idea why it acted up for me so badly recently. I do have a spare ign module but did not try swapping it yet.

 

IMO, if you can, make sure the ignition system and fuel delivery work great before you start a major project where you're going to want the engine to fire up and idle well on the first try.

 

Slow progress. Had to do some major mods to the engine stand so the legs wouldn’t interfere with the cherry picker. Got a propane heater to slow the rate at which I freeze to death. Got $2000+ worth of reman engine out of the crate and safely on the engine stand and into the garage:




The poor Jeep will get shunted into the cold under a tarp after I pull the old engine and need the room for transferring components from old to new.

Next step is to make a simple cradle to hold the old engine. I’m too cheap to spring for a second engine stand. A low cradle should be fine for what I need.

 

It's been known that shopping carts with the basket cut off make great cradles.
Just get one with good wheels so you don't fight it when moving it.
Dave ----

 

More slow progress. Like the pig at Easter dinner, I'm committed. We had a decent break in the monsoon weather pattern, so I pulled the trigger. Necessity is the mother of invention, so I turned a cheap pop-up canopy into a vehicle repair tent. So far it has worked out very well. Fits right in with the homeless camps overrunning the Portland area. With a couple of heat lamps and a propane heater, it's nice and comfy inside:







It's not obvious from the pics, but for stability I've got one corner secured to an existing post at the carport. The other corners are secured with weights. If I were to do this again, the only I'd do differently is use clear plastic for the sides, instead of the tarps I had laying around. It's a little dark inside, and clear sides would have helped.

I have the engine about 90% prepped for removal, and hope to pull it today or tomorrow.

 

Looks like many homeless people would be proud of you.

I'm sure your neighbors enjoy seeing that...

 

As Cleavon Little once said:



The old engine is out and safely resting on a cradle. I'm glad I don't have to work for a living, as this wore me out last night: