Overloaded Trailer?
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to stay under your 10,000 GVW limit on the trailer, your max towing is 10,000. With the dead load on your trailer, you are limited to 4,400 which is abysmal. Quite frankly, your car trailer can carry more because of its lower GVW. This is why I don’t like those single wheel trailers, they just can’t carry much because Of their own dead weight.
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It looks like page 18 has most of the answers you are looking for
https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/d...VTTowGuide.pdf
The only thing I don’t find right off is the GVWR of the truck itself. That number goes against the 26,001 to stay under CDL requirements.
if it is under 16,001 on your truck, you are fine. If not your 10k gvw trailer puts you over, even though the trailer itself doesn’t exceed the 10,001 threshold for CDL by itself.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/d...VTTowGuide.pdf
The only thing I don’t find right off is the GVWR of the truck itself. That number goes against the 26,001 to stay under CDL requirements.
if it is under 16,001 on your truck, you are fine. If not your 10k gvw trailer puts you over, even though the trailer itself doesn’t exceed the 10,001 threshold for CDL by itself.
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For clarification. If I get pulled over all anybody is going to do is look at the stickers and if I get weighed my trailer will be under weight and my truck will also be underweight. I don't need to pull into weigh stations, I have a safe truck and trailer and I should take a chill pill. Is that about right or should I now be worried that the trailer I just bought with the load on it when unhooked from the tow vehicle will be more than 10,000 pounds?
the chances of getting stopped are pretty slim. You aren’t going to look overloaded so they won’t bother you in that way. If by chance they do want to scale you, which is extremely unlikely IMO, I doubt very much they would make you unhook unless you flat out gave them a reason to push it further.
to be clear, you will be over your 10k trailer weight. But you probably won’t be over 10k on the axles and that’s generally what I’ve seen them worry about up here. If you were commercial, you might get a different treatment, but then again it would only be because you gave them some kind of reason to go poking around.
they aren’t after the guy hauling a Yukon. They are after the commercial guys overloaded or the guys trying to sneak loads through in a u-haul.
Personally, I wouldn’t sweat it. But sometimes what I would do doesn’t make for good advice.
id be more worried about my 62mph speed limit on the tires.
i think you are fine, even though you will be over the 10k, so long as you aren’t over 26k, I doubt you get any attention.
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I sincerely appreciate you brining up the tire rating. Those tires are $200 each brand new and are 16 ply. Knowing they are speed rated at 62 mph when fully loaded, which they never will be, will give me good reason to keep my speed down and probably save fuel. I really do appreciate your input. I am not that worried about the truck or trailer either around CT or SC where I live. The only fear I would have is going cross country. I feel that I have gone above and beyond to have a safe tow vehicle and more than capable trailer. I will never overload it and can certainly justify that this is much safer than towing heavy loads behind a Yukon XL 1500 on a 7k auto trailer. I feel I have made a real effort to be safe and responsible.
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I really think you are fine.
I think it would take an act of belligerence to get you noticed or in trouble.
you could almost just load up the Yukon on the back of your pickup and haul it that way …. I really think you are good
I think it would take an act of belligerence to get you noticed or in trouble.
you could almost just load up the Yukon on the back of your pickup and haul it that way …. I really think you are good
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To answer you above question about how much can you haul legally with that truck if you had a CDL. The 6,000 lb front axle rating and 12,000 lb rear axle ratings are what you legally can't exceed on the truck, then there is the axle ratings of whatever trailer you are towing, as long as you are within all the axle ratings you are legal regardless of total weight of the truck and trailer. However depending on what State you live in you have to register commercial trucks at a certain weight limit, but you can pretty much pick any number you want within reason, you just pay more as the weight increases. Factory tow and GVWR ratings mean very little when it comes to your legal ratings, of course none of that really applies in your situation, but I just figured I would clarify that for you.
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That is a fine looking rig you have there. Congrats. Like others have said, I don’t think you will be bothered at all.
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My question is more on whether or not it it legal. If that truck were forced into a weigh station or weighed on the road would it be deemed overweight? Can a 7,000 pound trailer carry 6,900 pounds on its axles or is it limited to 7,000- 2150 (what the trailer weighs)=4850? Even with a 4,850# car on it, if weight were properly distributed so 15% of trailer load were on the towing vehicle, only 4123 would be on the trailer axles.
When researching towing the GCVW is detailed very extensively and the GVW of the towing vehicle is also. @Desert Don said he would have a minimum 10k trailer. With the tow vehicles GVW at 16k 2006 F-450, that is the only other option because a 12k trailer would put the GCVW over the legal limit of 26k. Furthermore I think there is some kind of lingo about towing a trailer over 10k puts you into CDL category.
Has anyone ever been forced to be weighed or been thru a weigh station? How do they determine if your trailer is overweight? As mentioned it is really easy to weigh everything or even axles.
When researching towing the GCVW is detailed very extensively and the GVW of the towing vehicle is also. @Desert Don said he would have a minimum 10k trailer. With the tow vehicles GVW at 16k 2006 F-450, that is the only other option because a 12k trailer would put the GCVW over the legal limit of 26k. Furthermore I think there is some kind of lingo about towing a trailer over 10k puts you into CDL category.
Has anyone ever been forced to be weighed or been thru a weigh station? How do they determine if your trailer is overweight? As mentioned it is really easy to weigh everything or even axles.
As long as neither the truck nor trailer is overweight it's legal. Putting more weight into the truck to make your trailer within whatever it's nameplate rating happens to be is standard practice in the commercial world.
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Trailer is 7000. I am thinking of leaving my auto trailer home and towing the Yukon home behind my new/used F-450 using the towing unit on the 450. I would remove the Yukon driveshaft. Have you ever done that? After removing what would you do to cover the transmission where the driveshaft was removed? What do you think of that Appalachian GN trailer?
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if that’s the trailer you plan to use a private use not for hire decal is all you need nobody is going to bother you with a Yukon on that trailer IMO.
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by Yukon you mean the suv? If 4wd it has a nuetral mode which disengages the axles from the tranfer case. No need to remove the driveshafts. If 2wd then yes I’d remove the driveshaft. There is a plastic plug (used to be anyway) sold for that purpose. Other wise I’d probably rig up a spray paint can cap and a large ziplock and secure it well. Just to keep dust out.
there are many SUV’s on the market that do not have neutral capabilities. My expedition being one of them.
some have a super secret neutral mode, but many don’t.
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