Zf 5-460 separator plate
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Mountain Pass
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Zf 5-460 separator plate
I am in need of the Ford part number for the separator plate that resides between the rear of a 460 block and the bellhousing of a ZF S5-47 speed manual transmission. I am trying to find all the needed/required parts to install a carb'd 472 and ZF 5 speed manual in my late son's '95 F150, this plate seems to be discontinued or obsolete, but hopefully someone here would have the Ford part number for it to allow me to search for the correct plate. Any help will be much appreciated, finishing this project will mean so much to me and my family. Thank you in advance
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Thank you so much! Would there be a chance you be willing to sell it? Looking forward to your reply. Thank you once again.
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I looked for a part number, but couldn't see one anywhere. I compared it to the separator to one from a C6 and the only real difference is the bottom starter bolt is clocked out about an inch. The stand trans plate has a cover built in the bottom, but both are the same thickness and an auto plate could be modified to get you by.
I have one from an 85 with a 4 speed as well and it is identical to the ZF plate.
The plates are not pretty, but in reasonable condition given what they are and where they came from; both from work trucks that saw a lot of work (and rear main leaks by the look of it haha)
I live in Canada, so shipping would probably be unreasonable. Shoot me a msg with a zip code and I'll try and figure out shipping costs. I'm not sure what they are worth.
I have one from an 85 with a 4 speed as well and it is identical to the ZF plate.
The plates are not pretty, but in reasonable condition given what they are and where they came from; both from work trucks that saw a lot of work (and rear main leaks by the look of it haha)
I live in Canada, so shipping would probably be unreasonable. Shoot me a msg with a zip code and I'll try and figure out shipping costs. I'm not sure what they are worth.
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I looked for a part number, but couldn't see one anywhere. I compared it to the separator to one from a C6 and the only real difference is the bottom starter bolt is clocked out about an inch. The stand trans plate has a cover built in the bottom, but both are the same thickness and an auto plate could be modified to get you by.
I have one from an 85 with a 4 speed as well and it is identical to the ZF plate.
The plates are not pretty, but in reasonable condition given what they are and where they came from; both from work trucks that saw a lot of work (and rear main leaks by the look of it haha)
I live in Canada, so shipping would probably be unreasonable. Shoot me a msg with a zip code and I'll try and figure out shipping costs. I'm not sure what they are worth.
I have one from an 85 with a 4 speed as well and it is identical to the ZF plate.
The plates are not pretty, but in reasonable condition given what they are and where they came from; both from work trucks that saw a lot of work (and rear main leaks by the look of it haha)
I live in Canada, so shipping would probably be unreasonable. Shoot me a msg with a zip code and I'll try and figure out shipping costs. I'm not sure what they are worth.
BTW, from what you have told me about the thickness of a C6 plate being identical and if it ends up too costly to ship, I could modify the auto plate along with another plate I have to correctly locate the starter and also replicate the lower portion of ZF plate. Much rather to use the factory piece but sometimes you have to do what whatever it takes. Thanks again!
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The actual part is rare as hens teeth and usually found by buying the entire truck with it.
When I faced this problem I ended up buying a flat plate from Keith Fulp Motorsports. The ZF uses a 180 tooth flywheel but also the "car" starter bolt location (starter hole itself is no different truck vs car). Anyways Keith knows what you need as I was the guinea pig who proved it worked. Since it's a flat plate, you'll need to figure out how to cover the remaining crescent at the bottom of the bellhousing. I fabbed a cover for that out of 16 ga sheet steel. Kind of a pain but overall not a big deal.
When I faced this problem I ended up buying a flat plate from Keith Fulp Motorsports. The ZF uses a 180 tooth flywheel but also the "car" starter bolt location (starter hole itself is no different truck vs car). Anyways Keith knows what you need as I was the guinea pig who proved it worked. Since it's a flat plate, you'll need to figure out how to cover the remaining crescent at the bottom of the bellhousing. I fabbed a cover for that out of 16 ga sheet steel. Kind of a pain but overall not a big deal.
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The actual part is rare as hens teeth and usually found by buying the entire truck with it.
When I faced this problem I ended up buying a flat plate from Keith Fulp Motorsports. The ZF uses a 180 tooth flywheel but also the "car" starter bolt location (starter hole itself is no different truck vs car). Anyways Keith knows what you need as I was the guinea pig who proved it worked. Since it's a flat plate, you'll need to figure out how to cover the remaining crescent at the bottom of the bellhousing. I fabbed a cover for that out of 16 ga sheet steel. Kind of a pain but overall not a big deal.
When I faced this problem I ended up buying a flat plate from Keith Fulp Motorsports. The ZF uses a 180 tooth flywheel but also the "car" starter bolt location (starter hole itself is no different truck vs car). Anyways Keith knows what you need as I was the guinea pig who proved it worked. Since it's a flat plate, you'll need to figure out how to cover the remaining crescent at the bottom of the bellhousing. I fabbed a cover for that out of 16 ga sheet steel. Kind of a pain but overall not a big deal.
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Tuned
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From what I remember the 460 C6 starter location is not even remotely close to starter location on an manual transmission 460 bell, ZF included. Definitely hold it up the ZF case see if it even looks close before you start hacking things up. That plate is what locates the starter; if it's off more than maybe 10-20 thousandths or so, it'll eat starter gears and/or flywheel ring gear teeth.
Also, the small block plate is not going to be worth anything, whole/parts/cut up, on a 460.
Also, the small block plate is not going to be worth anything, whole/parts/cut up, on a 460.
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From what I remember the 460 C6 starter location is not even remotely close to starter location on an manual transmission 460 bell, ZF included. Definitely hold it up the ZF case see if it even looks close before you start hacking things up. That plate is what locates the starter; if it's off more than maybe 10-20 thousandths or so, it'll eat starter gears and/or flywheel ring gear teeth.
Also, the small block plate is not going to be worth anything, whole/parts/cut up, on a 460.
Also, the small block plate is not going to be worth anything, whole/parts/cut up, on a 460.
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I'm not sure that plan is going to work. The starter bolt holes do not locate the starter accurately enough to go off of. That plate is what puts the starter in the correct location and it's a matter of thousandths. The plate indexes off of the bellhousing dowel pins. I don't see how you're going to cut top portion of the C6 plate and weld it to the bottom portion of the small block plate and hope to get the starter located accurately enough. Again, just lining up the starter bolt holes in the plate with the holes in the bell isn't going to be accurate enough.
I recommend buying a properly machined plate, from Keith Fulp or elsewhere. It'll at least save you all sorts of fooling around with cutting/welding and will also ensure the starter works right and doesn't eat the gear.
I recommend buying a properly machined plate, from Keith Fulp or elsewhere. It'll at least save you all sorts of fooling around with cutting/welding and will also ensure the starter works right and doesn't eat the gear.
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