Does the payload sticker include a full tank of fuel and DEF? Or do you need to subtract the weight of fuel and def from the sticker # on the door?

 

Yes. The payload sticker is the vehicle curb weight when all fluids are full. There was a time when it also included 150lbs. for a driver, but this is no longer true. Payload is GVWR less the "ready" curb weight.

 

Great, Thanks!

 

I saw somewhere that a 150 lb driver was included. Where did you get your info on no longer being included? Also, does the payload include a full tank of gas (or diesel)?
Thanks

 

The 150lb driver is included in the camper certification capacity numbers, it's actually a 150lb occupant in each available seating position. That does not change the payload capacity shown on the sticker. The sticker is not calculated with any occupants, but does include a full tank of fuel (gas or diesel). It was answered previously in this thread. When he said all fluids full, that was to include fuel.

The owners manual also has a section called, Load Carrying, it includes examples of how to figure if you are over or under payload capacity based on the number shown on the sticker.

 

The payload sticker may or may not be close to accurate, weigh the truck before loading, full of fluids and with all passengers, subtract that from the GVWR, that is your accurate available payload.

 

When I took my new '20 the the CAT scale immediatetly after purchasing, the weight, with me in it, was within 10 lbs. of the published curb weight + my weight. I was surprised. I haven't taken the '21 to the CAT scales yet.

 

Driver is not included. Typically, the confusion comes from the maximum advertised payloads and various other maximum capacities. These are marketing gimmicks. Max payload is a 2WD XL with no options + 150 lb driver and then the math is some huge, never attainable number.

The actual payload of a given truck is the truck's GVWR less the weight of that truck as it rolled off the line wet (GVW) ... Payload = GVWR - GVW. Unless you (or some 150 lb person) were sitting in the truck when the factory weighed it, then the driver's weight will count 100% against the available payload.

From what I know, this has been true as long as payload ratings were given (early 2000s) on door jamb stickers. To my knowledge, there was never a time when the 150 lb driver allotment was made to payload and then, at some point, it wasn't. It was always as stated above: payload rating on the sticker = GVWR - GVW as it rolled off the line at the factory. But, for as long as the rating has been available, people have conflated Tow Capacity and other numbers that do make a 150 lb driver allotment with Payload (which does not).

 

Not to nitpick, but does the wet weight off the line include a full tank of gas? In my build with a 7.3, the tank capacity is 34 gallons - additional 200+ pounds (6 lbs/gallon times 34).

 

Might as well nitpick, that is what the thread is all about. Worrying about a few hundred pounds either way that won't make any difference.

 

I will never understand the payload sticker obsession. It is nothing more than a snapshot of one particular moment in time. At this point, the payload sticker on my truck does not contain one piece of useful information. As a matter of fact, it is all misinformation. I have replaced the tires with a different size so the inflation recommendations are now irrelevant. Once I brought the truck home and added the bedrug, fifth wheel hitch, tool box, etc., the payload number became meaningless. About the only time it would be useful is if you were on a dealer lot comparing multiple trucks side by side...and that isn't a thing anymore.

 

Payload is GVWR less curb weight. Curb weight is “as built” configuration including all fluids, which includes a full fuel tank.

See pages 9 - 15 in the attached 2021 spec brochure for Ford’s definitions.

HTH,
Jim / crewzer

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Part number for a "150 lbs driver"??? I can't find one anywhere.

 

Better off looking at your axle and spring ratings and going from there. Payload dies as soon as one of us steps into the truck weighing more then '150' lbs.

 

The last time I weighed 150 lbs., I was too young for a driver’s license!

Safe travels,
Jim / crewzer