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Panic trading is foolish. I have seen many of these “gas crisises”. They never last too long, but people think the world is ending when they happen. With the last one all you constantly heard was that $5 a gallon is the new normal and “peak oil” has occurred. I think most know better than that by now, but we’ll see. The next crisis is around the corner.
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From: Mansfield, TX USA
Small(er) pickups have been sold before. Ford completely abandoned the Ranger AND the Sportrac. "Not a big enough market".
And Suby gave us two different versions of the Brat.
But GM's marketing said that there was still a demand, and introduced the Canyon and Colorado.
100,000s of units later, Ford says "H'mmmm, maybe GM was right!". Voila, another hurried lipstick on a pig car from Ford (don't get me wrong, I know that my EcoSport is the other Ford car).
So where will fickled fashion take us next?
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Yes, but it seems to be genetically encoded into the human DNA.
Did someone say toilet paper shortage?
A couple of years ago, there was a tropic storm out in the Gulf that shut down the oil pipeline heading into the Dallas area. Pipe shut Monday or Tuesday. Everything fine.
Wednesday morning, local new started reporting some stations running low on gas. That's all it took. By Wednesday afternoon, most stations out or very low.
My friend went out Wednesday and filled his 3 or 4 cars up with gas. 15-20 gallons each. Including his old Falcon, which had not been driven 200 miles in the last year.
Storm passed. Pipe back open Thursday morning.
All stations started having some gas on Friday.
By Saturday, everything normal again.
Panic, it's what for dinner.
Did someone say toilet paper shortage?
A couple of years ago, there was a tropic storm out in the Gulf that shut down the oil pipeline heading into the Dallas area. Pipe shut Monday or Tuesday. Everything fine.
Wednesday morning, local new started reporting some stations running low on gas. That's all it took. By Wednesday afternoon, most stations out or very low.
My friend went out Wednesday and filled his 3 or 4 cars up with gas. 15-20 gallons each. Including his old Falcon, which had not been driven 200 miles in the last year.
Storm passed. Pipe back open Thursday morning.
All stations started having some gas on Friday.
By Saturday, everything normal again.
Panic, it's what for dinner.
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From: Greenfield, MA
Though all comments are extremely welcome and offer perspective, I'm pleased to read the positive notes posted. When ford abandoned the sedan market, I thought they were completely stupid and willfully leaving money on someone else's table and I still feel that way.
Not everyone is going to need a Lariat model that promises a 36K MSRP but I'm a bit suspect on whether or not the dealers will stock the entry level units with the under 20K price tag. It's pretty hard to find and F-150 XL for under 30K.
When we were shopping, we hard our sights on a 2021 Escape Titanium mainly for it's small size and ease of in town handling. It had an MSRP of about $40K with $5K in incentives. After driving the Explorer, my bride was hooked and we got nearly $11K off a Limited model which put us a few grand over the Escape. Seemed like a no brainer and I'm extremely pleased with our choice.
Maybe this is Ford's intent, price the well equipped models close to the mid range Ranger and let the dealer upsell into a midsized truck where there is no doubt more profit.
All that said, the Maverick is on my radar for a future purchase.
Not everyone is going to need a Lariat model that promises a 36K MSRP but I'm a bit suspect on whether or not the dealers will stock the entry level units with the under 20K price tag. It's pretty hard to find and F-150 XL for under 30K.
When we were shopping, we hard our sights on a 2021 Escape Titanium mainly for it's small size and ease of in town handling. It had an MSRP of about $40K with $5K in incentives. After driving the Explorer, my bride was hooked and we got nearly $11K off a Limited model which put us a few grand over the Escape. Seemed like a no brainer and I'm extremely pleased with our choice.
Maybe this is Ford's intent, price the well equipped models close to the mid range Ranger and let the dealer upsell into a midsized truck where there is no doubt more profit.
All that said, the Maverick is on my radar for a future purchase.
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From: Mansfield, TX USA
Ford pushes you into an XLT. If I read the Build & Price correctly, cruise control is not available on the XL for any price. And exterior color is limited.
Personally, I love strippers. The best thing to happen in the last 20 years is that PS, PW, PL, AC and automatics have become standard on even base models (except if you are a Jeep). And the safety stuff is starting to creep in as standard too.
Personally, I love strippers. The best thing to happen in the last 20 years is that PS, PW, PL, AC and automatics have become standard on even base models (except if you are a Jeep). And the safety stuff is starting to creep in as standard too.
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Base models always age the best. 10 year old high trim models will always look more aged and be more problematic due to changes in luxury fashion and colors. Also there is a lot less gadgetry to break on base models.
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Ford pushes you into an XLT. If I read the Build & Price correctly, cruise control is not available on the XL for any price. And exterior color is limited.
Personally, I love strippers. The best thing to happen in the last 20 years is that PS, PW, PL, AC and automatics have become standard on even base models (except if you are a Jeep). And the safety stuff is starting to creep in as standard too.
Personally, I love strippers. The best thing to happen in the last 20 years is that PS, PW, PL, AC and automatics have become standard on even base models (except if you are a Jeep). And the safety stuff is starting to creep in as standard too.
The marketing department at Ford is filled with brilliant people. The $19999 base price doesn't include destination...which I think is $1495...thus the real price is $21494. At that price I'm guessing that the dealer has less than a $500 markup. Rebates and incentives will have a lot to do with the success of the truck after those who absolutely must have the latest...no matter what the price.
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True...the base models will retain a higher percentage of initial price down the road. I just sold a base model 2007 Focus that I paid $5000 5 1/2 years ago...put 60K miles on it...put less than $1000 into repairs and maintenance...got $2500 for it. I see it running around the neighborhood almost every day.
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All I need is a small vehicle that will pull a 5x8 trailer and the Mav will pull up to 4000 pounds, likely with the 2.0L eco.
The game plan for me to sell my truck in four years just before retirement, get what i can get for it and roll out with a maverick lariat. hopefully by then that hideous grill will have been redesigned.
The game plan for me to sell my truck in four years just before retirement, get what i can get for it and roll out with a maverick lariat. hopefully by then that hideous grill will have been redesigned.
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From: Mansfield, TX USA
EcoBoosts get thirsty towing.
Running down the road with the motor screaming at 4000 RPM does not equal pleasurably driving for me.
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You clearly have very little experience in an ecoboost. They don't need to rev that high to pull plus, I'm talking pulling a load from Lowes or the nursery to the house. If I'm pulling on the freeway, i'm sticking with a full sized truck.
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"Up to" tow ratings are like Spandex clothing in XXXX sizes. It might fit, but not really a good idea.
Standard tow rating for the 2.0 is 2000 lbs. 4000 requires the tow package, the contents of which do not include any engine upgrades.
If all you are going to do is putter around town at low speeds, the electric motor in the hybrid might be a better choice.
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From: Sioux Falls SD
My last Maverick was a 1975 four door model. Seated 6 in relative comfort and was physically about same size as new car/truck version. Got 15mpg city and 25 mpg hwy with the 250 six and c4 auto. I would consider the new Maverick to replace my 2011 Ranger Super cab, but will not buy a truck with a box shorter than 6 foot. We currently own a 2014 C-Max Energi Plug in Hybrid and know all the benefits, plus scored a deal on 31st of March on a 2021 Bolt EV out the door all in for 21K.
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From: Anchorage Alaska
I’ll have to respectfully disagree, the top end ford models to me have aged very well in the last 10+ years. My F-150 still gets complemented regularly and none of the gadgets have required replacements yet, fingers crossed (looking at you power running boards). The more mid level vehicles seem to age worse to me, typically aren’t taken care of as well and there’s 10x more on the road so it multiplies the neglected look.