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Old May 23, 2021 | 08:02 PM
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Overheating mishap

Hello. I’m sure some of you have seen my other posts, but to remind-

I own a ‘60 Merc Monterey with a 460 from a mid 70s f250. Today on the highway i ran into some traffic and it started overheating, eventually sputtering to a stop when the engine died on me.
If you’re wondering why I didn’t pull over or anything, I didn’t have any room to as there was no shoulder and I was trying to make it to the next exit.
After about 20 min sitting in the middle of the highway it started back up and I was able to take that fabled next exit. After letting cool further I drove another 30 miles home with no evident issues other than it running only slightly hotter than normal due to my radiator throwing up some of its coolant.
My question is, what kind of damage did I possibly do? I’m pretty sure it’s a faulty thermostat that caused this issue
 
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Old May 23, 2021 | 08:13 PM
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Overheating scares the crap out of me. I worry about warped heads, cracked blocks, blown head gaskets, etc. Check your coolant for oil. Check your oil for coolant. Check your tail pipe for water/oil.
 
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Old May 23, 2021 | 08:29 PM
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Another couple things to consider. A blown head gasket can also send exhaust gas in the coolant. Look for aeriated black coolant.

And our old engines don't have built in safety provisions that turn the engine off when it's overheated. If it shut down, something physically made it shut down. And that could very well have been heat expanded bearings seizing up on the main and rod journals.
 
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Old May 23, 2021 | 11:13 PM
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Running only slightly hotter for 30 miles tells me no blown head gasket which is good otherwise a blown head gasket would indicate the engine overheats immediately within 2 minutes or so of operation....

However the engine still running hotter than normal also indicates something is wrong within the cooling system or running components...

Obvious diagnosis is showing a defective thermostat since it is spewing coolant.

Hope the block or radiator isn't full of deposits or crud with weak neglected antifreeze....

What I would do is try to find another obvious direct cause like a loose belt, wobbly fan (water pump bearing and shaft), leaky coolant system, defective cap, etc., and replace the cheap stuff first like the thermostat and pressure cap providing no other components are obvious..., if the running hot issues still persists, I would do a compression leak test to see if you have potential engine damage which consists of removing the thermostat and drive belt, and starting the engine for a very short period of time and observe the coolant in the intake manifold and checking for any bubbles to appear looking down the thermostat seating area (making sure you have coolant in the intake manifold before testing) .... if no bubbles appear, the engine should be fine with no compression leak.

Then eventually replace the clutch fan if it has one, get a new radiator and hi volume water pump after a block flush, prefer a power flush if you can find a place that can do that.

Improper ignition timing can also play a role in running hot issues, however I think this is unlikely since this particular overheating issue had immediately existed while losing coolant.
 
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Old May 24, 2021 | 10:06 AM
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Might be vapor lock from the heat.
 
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Old May 24, 2021 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by beartracks
Might be vapor lock from the heat.
that’s what I’m thinking. Wouldn’t have started after about 20 minutes otherwise I’d think
 
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Old May 24, 2021 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AKsilvereagle
Running only slightly hotter for 30 miles tells me no blown head gasket which is good otherwise a blown head gasket would indicate the engine overheats immediately within 2 minutes or so of operation....

However the engine still running hotter than normal also indicates something is wrong within the cooling system or running components...

Obvious diagnosis is showing a defective thermostat since it is spewing coolant.

Hope the block or radiator isn't full of deposits or crud with weak neglected antifreeze....

What I would do is try to find another obvious direct cause like a loose belt, wobbly fan (water pump bearing and shaft), leaky coolant system, defective cap, etc., and replace the cheap stuff first like the thermostat and pressure cap providing no other components are obvious..., if the running hot issues still persists, I would do a compression leak test to see if you have potential engine damage which consists of removing the thermostat and drive belt, and starting the engine for a very short period of time and observe the coolant in the intake manifold and checking for any bubbles to appear looking down the thermostat seating area (making sure you have coolant in the intake manifold before testing) .... if no bubbles appear, the engine should be fine with no compression leak.

Then eventually replace the clutch fan if it has one, get a new radiator and hi volume water pump after a block flush, prefer a power flush if you can find a place that can do that.

Improper ignition timing can also play a role in running hot issues, however I think this is unlikely since this particular overheating issue had immediately existed while losing coolant.

im pretty sure it’s the thermostat. The coolant looked clean (didn’t see any oil in there) and I was able to start the car up after letting cool for about 20 minutes and drive home. So I’m thinking it’s vapor lock, why the car stopped
 
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Old May 24, 2021 | 11:49 AM
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I would do a couple quick, easy checks just to make absolutely sure nothing bad occurred. A compression test and a pressure test on the cooling system should rule out any of the nastiest worries.
 
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Old May 24, 2021 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by wyrm73
I would do a couple quick, easy checks just to make absolutely sure nothing bad occurred. A compression test and a pressure test on the cooling system should rule out any of the nastiest worries.
I drove it to my mechanic today. It started right up, easy as usual. No sign of anything out of the ordinary. But I’ll do what you suggested
 
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Cars can be funny Had one that would rapidly heat almost to the 'ah sh**' level at about 85mph, if I pulled off and let it set about 5 minutes it would run at 85-90mph for hours afterward at slightly elevated temps (like hitting the A on our gauges) with no problem.
One I had ran fine in any weather, even Houston hot, unless it was forced to idle more than 5 minutes, after which it missed and ran like a 3 cylinder. Turned out to be a bad electronic ignition circuit opening at just the right temperature. I like the vapor lock idea for yours, check
where your gas line is routed and you can buy insulator to wrap the line with if needed. Cheap help if needed: most computer fans run on 12V and you can mount one for spot cooling. Some of them develop pretty decent cfms, too.
 
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The 460 is a great motor but is prone to overheating and any and all you can do to defend against that it is worth the effort. The era of 460 you're running supplied fuel to the carb and then the excess was fed back to the fuel tank so the carb was fed a continuous supply of cooler fuel. It also came with an insulated heat deflecting spacer under the carb. Also an oil cooler and a cross flow radiator. If none of these things are present in your current configuration I would attempt to bring them to your present install. An electric cooling fan or fans with a shroud is also a good idea if you're going to be in summer stop and go traffic.
 
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