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Old Apr 20, 2021 | 04:02 PM
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59 f100 clutch problems

Hello all. Installed new master clutch cylinder but had to take out again and return it as I could not get it to build any pressure so must of been bad. I tried bleeding over and over to no avail.

Installed old one again. Now after bleeding, pump pedal about three times and pedal stops half way down. I see the rod at slave cylinder pushing fork out, but gears won't go in.

If i crack bleeder valve at slave , pedal will go down.
It was fine before, and that's only last week. Reason for new one is that clutch would engage but after pumping once or twice.

Now, it just stops half way. Ideas, comments..? Please. I took a look see at tranny and noticed the throw out bearing is just loose in there at the pressure plate. Is that normal? Kind of new at this. Thanks in advance.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2021 | 04:57 PM
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The throw out bearing should have space between the pressure plate fingers and itself with the petal up, kinda sounds like the throw out bearing is sticking on the slide support.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2021 | 07:09 PM
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You have to adjust push rod free play too. Must bleed completely. I expected mine to gravity bleed but think I had to bleed it quite s bit.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2021 | 07:10 PM
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Thanks for reply. Would that cause the peddle to stop halfway? I experienced gear slippin while driving a while back, but after replacing slave cylinder, symptom disappeared. So lost. Thanks again.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2021 | 12:39 AM
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If I remember right, I didn't bench bleed mine before installing. I cracked the bleeder and worked the push rod in and out until all the air was out. This is the slave cylinder. Think I pulled the master and bench bled it. Then bled it all after free play.

 

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Old Apr 21, 2021 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnNewb
You have to adjust push rod free play too. Must bleed completely. I expected mine to gravity bleed but think I had to bleed it quite s bit.
Is that the rod being pushed by clutch pedal? So, lack of bleeding would result in stuck pedal? Thanks
 
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Old Apr 21, 2021 | 09:32 AM
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I was referring to the push rod that connects slave to throw out bearing arm. I am away from home and manual but think it is something like 1/4". If pedal stops but goes down with bleeder open you likely have air in system. Sorry if you already know this but someone has to press pedal down and hold it down while bleeder open. Otherwise when pedal goes up you suck air back in. Same as bleeding brakes.
 

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Old Apr 22, 2021 | 08:14 AM
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Quite a few years ago a friend purchased a 57 and went through the same situation, I went over to his house to see if I could help and it turned out he just wasn't pushing hard enough His previous car was an Escort GT that required almost zero effort to push the clutch.
 
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Old Apr 22, 2021 | 09:33 AM
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Yea, its definitively stiff. I'm going to move the slave push rod around a bit. More recently i had the nut on the push rod set towards the slave, like really close. I then backed it out a few turns. I'm assuming that a 1/4 in. means that the back of the rod should be coming out a 1/4 inch through the opening of the fork? Or a 1/4 inch from the stop nut all the way in front from slave cylinder? Thanks
 

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free play measured between fork and contact point of rod
 
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Old Apr 22, 2021 | 02:51 PM
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Oh, I see. Perfect, thanks again. I will try to get it there.
 
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Pull the fork to the back of the truck by hand to remove the slack, adjust the nut so that there is a 1/4" gap between the nut and fork.
The nut is convex on one side and the fork is concave where that nut makes contact.
 
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Old Apr 23, 2021 | 09:22 AM
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Thanks for that. Will give it a shot when I get home
 
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Is the clutch fork fulcrum in good condition?
 
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Old Apr 23, 2021 | 01:45 PM
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Oh gheez. Fulcrum? How would I check and what would I look for?
 
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