2021 F150 Vs ..........
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2021 F150 Vs ..........
Hey everyone, new to the forum. Currently in the market for a pickup. I haven’t decided what I want to go with, currently I’m debating between a 2021 F150 5.0 ( only ) and a Tundra. I quite honestly don’t care about anything as far as mpg,!options, bells, and whistles go, but reliability. I’ve seen quite a lot of posts regarding tundras 5.7 reliability, that engine being capable of 300k miles no issues, with regular maintenance. I was wondering what you guys have to say regarding why go with F150, as I would like to hear it from Ford owners rather the salesman at dealers. Thanks!
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50 less HP and nearly half the MPG in town (vs the F-150 PowerBoost) along with the 15 year old looking interior made me run from the Tundra. Not to mention my F-150 has a 7.2 kW generator, 12" screen, 10 speed transmission, hybrid electric and self driving with BlueCruise coming soon. If reliability is the only thing you care about, and old Tundra would be a good option. If going new, I can't see the appeal.
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Drive an EcoBoost before you decide. The 5.0 from 2018 on (an all new engine) has had many issues. The EcoBoosts have very few. There is nothing simple or "tried and true" about a 5.0.
If the only thing that matters is the sound of the engine, then get the Tundra. The Tundra repotedly will be redesigned for 2022 and will have it's own version of an EcoBoost.
If the only thing that matters is the sound of the engine, then get the Tundra. The Tundra repotedly will be redesigned for 2022 and will have it's own version of an EcoBoost.
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Drive an EcoBoost before you decide. The 5.0 from 2018 on (an all new engine) has had many issues. The EcoBoosts have very few. There is nothing simple or "tried and true" about a 5.0.
If the only thing that matters is the sound of the engine, then get the Tundra. The Tundra repotedly will be redesigned for 2022 and will have it's own version of an EcoBoost.
If the only thing that matters is the sound of the engine, then get the Tundra. The Tundra repotedly will be redesigned for 2022 and will have it's own version of an EcoBoost.
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Search these boards and others for failures. You wont find many complaints. The EcoBoosts have been in F150s for 12 model years now. Some issue that have come up have been cam phasers and intercoolers. The intercooler issue was taken care of in 2015 and the cam phasers in the second half of 2017. There were some pre 2016 engines that had timing chain issues here and there.
Turbo issues have been rare. Almost every modern diesel from little 3 cylinders on up though class 9 trucks all have turbos and have for decades. The lessons learned there have been incorporated to gas engine turbos. A tubo itself os fairly simple and not much more difficult to change than a water pump.
Turbos on gas engines got a bad reputaion in the 80s, before modern engine management systems were developed. I remeber bad turbo lag, oveheating engines and poor performance behind 3 speed autos. Those days are long gone. Gas tubo V6 engines account for 60% plus of F150 sales.
I was skeptical myself, but bought on anyway because I was impressed on the test drive. 5 years and 58k miles later and it has only had the spark plags and coolant changed at 50k miles. Not due to any issues but for maintenance.
Turbo issues have been rare. Almost every modern diesel from little 3 cylinders on up though class 9 trucks all have turbos and have for decades. The lessons learned there have been incorporated to gas engine turbos. A tubo itself os fairly simple and not much more difficult to change than a water pump.
Turbos on gas engines got a bad reputaion in the 80s, before modern engine management systems were developed. I remeber bad turbo lag, oveheating engines and poor performance behind 3 speed autos. Those days are long gone. Gas tubo V6 engines account for 60% plus of F150 sales.
I was skeptical myself, but bought on anyway because I was impressed on the test drive. 5 years and 58k miles later and it has only had the spark plags and coolant changed at 50k miles. Not due to any issues but for maintenance.
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The 3.5 has more engines on the road than 5.0s, The 2.7 is now the "stock" engine and it will almost beat the 5.7 in horsepower. since the 3.5 and the 2.7 have dual injectors, manifold and direct in cylinder (5.0 has the same) the valves coking has not been a problem. Carbon breaking away from the vales caused broken plugs and broken turbo vanes. There are people that have 150,000 to 200,000 miles on Eco Boost engines. go to the 3.5 and 2.7 threads to see what problems are common. Just remember what you see are a drop in the bucket compared to how many are on the road.
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PS I have owned a 2012 XLT Screw FX4 with ZERO problems and a 2015 Lariat Screw FX4 with the Eco Boost. The only reason I went with a 5.0 on my current truck is just for the V8 rumble. as of 04/11//21 my 2018 is 3 years old and is about to get exhaust put on it, once I make up my mind which one to buy.
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PS I have owned a 2012 XLT Screw FX4 with ZERO problems and a 2015 Lariat Screw FX4 with the Eco Boost. The only reason I went with a 5.0 on my current truck is just for the V8 rumble. as of 04/11//21 my 2018 is 3 years old and is about to get exhaust put on it, once I make up my mind which one to buy.
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If it’s any consolation, and if you’re trying to decide between a 2021 F150 and the up and coming new Tundra, keep in mind that Toyota is dropping the V8.
All vehicles regardless of brand and engine will have some problems and at the same time, most will have no engine problems.
The problems with some but not all 5.0’s starting in I think 2018 model year is way overblown and that’s what the internet focuses on most because that’s what gets the most clicks.
Just drive both vehicles and make a choice on which one you like most and don’t base your decision on the engine alone.
All vehicles regardless of brand and engine will have some problems and at the same time, most will have no engine problems.
The problems with some but not all 5.0’s starting in I think 2018 model year is way overblown and that’s what the internet focuses on most because that’s what gets the most clicks.
Just drive both vehicles and make a choice on which one you like most and don’t base your decision on the engine alone.
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I know nothing about the tundra and not much about my new 21 F150 5.0 crew cab 6.5 bed. so far its really nice and drives great. I had to buy a truck asap as my 2013 ram Cummins needed over 7 k in repairs so i ditched it for the 150 on the lot . I couldn't wait 3 months to order. Anyway this is my first gas 1/2 ton vehicle always had 3/4 ton or one ton diesel trucks all brands. 5.0 has plenty of power for what the chassis can handle gets about 15.5 mpg around town, holds a pretty good load and handles well. Hopefully it will be reliable. I do have a Gen 2 coyote in a 73f100 that i built and that thing takes some abuse. If i had my choice at that purchase moment i would have gone 3.0 diesel ford or chevy.
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i would carefully consider that you have no interest in mileage but only in reliability. overall cost of ownership is maybe a better metric. consider if you get 3 mpg better with a ford over 200,000 miles. lets say 15 for the toyota (generous from my buddies experience) and 18 for a 3.5 ecoboost (conservative based on my experience). at $3 per gallon, that is $40,000 in fuel for the toyota. The ford costs $33,333. So it is a given that you are going to spend at least $6,700 in additional fuel to drive the toyota. if, and it is a big IF, you spend $5,000 less on maintenance, you are still $1,700 behind the cost to drive the ford. Insert whatever numbers you are comfortable with into the equations.
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Regardless of the numbers above (makes sense) my 2008 Tundra 5.7 SR5 felt more solid than my 2015 F150 Lariat and Never had an issue when sold at 95k miles. The F150 had a few little annoyances in all the bells and whistles in the 44k miles I had it but no break downs; it would get water onto a wiring harness in the back door and do some weird stuff that annoyed me. Turning radius on the Tundra was great.
I would also look at the F250 (6 speed) or f350 (10 speed) 6.2 XL. Thats another one I’ve had a few of and they are bulletproof. They get similar MPG to the Tundra (6.2/3.73 vs 5.7/4.30).
I would also look at the F250 (6 speed) or f350 (10 speed) 6.2 XL. Thats another one I’ve had a few of and they are bulletproof. They get similar MPG to the Tundra (6.2/3.73 vs 5.7/4.30).
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Another thing to keep in mind is Toyota is darn proud of their vehicles. Their 15 year old design or so has only gone up in price and they don’t cut any deals for them. As mentioned, the f150s get better fuel economy which adds up over the years. So you can get a better deal on the Ford and save money on gas and I’m willing to bet that insurance will also be cheaper on the Ford as it’s safer. Everyone loves to tout “Toyota reliability “ but I haven’t really found them to be much more reliable than any other make out there but let’s say you do get 300k out of the tundra and 225k out of the Ford. Parts for the Ford at that point will be cheaper and easier to find as the volume of trucks is almost 10-1. Choice is yours to make but I personally would only consider Toyota if the other option was Ram/Dodge.
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i would carefully consider that you have no interest in mileage but only in reliability. overall cost of ownership is maybe a better metric. consider if you get 3 mpg better with a ford over 200,000 miles. lets say 15 for the toyota (generous from my buddies experience) and 18 for a 3.5 ecoboost (conservative based on my experience). at $3 per gallon, that is $40,000 in fuel for the toyota. The ford costs $33,333. So it is a given that you are going to spend at least $6,700 in additional fuel to drive the toyota. if, and it is a big IF, you spend $5,000 less on maintenance, you are still $1,700 behind the cost to drive the ford. Insert whatever numbers you are comfortable with into the equations.
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Another thing to keep in mind is Toyota is darn proud of their vehicles. Their 15 year old design or so has only gone up in price and they don’t cut any deals for them. As mentioned, the f150s get better fuel economy which adds up over the years. So you can get a better deal on the Ford and save money on gas and I’m willing to bet that insurance will also be cheaper on the Ford as it’s safer. Everyone loves to tout “Toyota reliability “ but I haven’t really found them to be much more reliable than any other make out there but let’s say you do get 300k out of the tundra and 225k out of the Ford. Parts for the Ford at that point will be cheaper and easier to find as the volume of trucks is almost 10-1. Choice is yours to make but I personally would only consider Toyota if the other option was Ram/Dodge.
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I’ll take surface rust, which happens on all vehicles instead of the entire frame rusting away and having to be replaced, which happened to Tundra owners, any day of the week.