Max Payload w/o Dually or Long Bed?
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I have a '21 F350 7.3L Lariat Tremor Ultimate, 5th wheel prep, no moonroof, that I ordered in Sept sitting at the dealership.
When we ordered, both from what I found and the commercial sales manager estimated, we were expecting the max payload to be around 3900#. The truck came in and the payload sticker says 3560#. Both I and the SM seems to also be very surprised at the weight rating and is doing some research into it himself. At some point, I may want to pull a trailer w/ a GVWR of close to 17k#, which was the whole point of moving into a SD from my F150, but the truck would also be a daily driver, so I really don't want to get into a dually or a long bed given where I currently live. I'm a bit hesitant to take delivery because of this, as I really think an 'extra' 300# or so on the sticker will go a long way to keep me 'compliant' (yes, I know the sticker is somewhat arbitrary), and spending $75k on a tool that won't do what you need doesn't seem logical.
The GVWR of the truck is 11,300#. The 2020 SD Tech Specs PDF shows a Payload Rating of 4,460 for the F350 CC SB SRW 4x4 w/ a 11,300# GVWR. I've also seen a table that lists out the weight of most of the packages / options, and I can't see how this truck ate up 900# of payload w/ the options I ordered, particularly since some were actually installed at the dealer (winch, for example, which would've been the heaviest option ordered). I can't find that weight table at the moment, but I think the entire 'Lariat Ultimate' package w/ ~65#.
Per some stickers I've seen posted, I've seen a few diesel F350 Lariat Tremors at ~3450# and even 3500# for a 2020 SCSB Lariat Ultimate w/ the 6.7L. Also, a 2017 CCSB SRW Lariat Ultimate w/ a payload of >4k# (6,2L, I'm assuming, since 2017?). I would think with the 7.3, I should easily see 300-400# more than than the diesel(?). If the sticker said 3850#, I'd be OK with it, but honestly was looking for closer to 4k#.
If the SM finds anything out, I'm not in a hurry and am willing to re-order the truck with some options tweaked if necessary and wait again if it means getting a higher payload # on the sticker, but is this even possible? (BTW, I originally ordered the PTO, which I guess I don't have any real need for, but even that I think was only ~25#, right?)
Am I being unrealistic? What are others w/ 2021 Tremors seeing payload-wise? Is RAM or GMC any better payload-wise?
When we ordered, both from what I found and the commercial sales manager estimated, we were expecting the max payload to be around 3900#. The truck came in and the payload sticker says 3560#. Both I and the SM seems to also be very surprised at the weight rating and is doing some research into it himself. At some point, I may want to pull a trailer w/ a GVWR of close to 17k#, which was the whole point of moving into a SD from my F150, but the truck would also be a daily driver, so I really don't want to get into a dually or a long bed given where I currently live. I'm a bit hesitant to take delivery because of this, as I really think an 'extra' 300# or so on the sticker will go a long way to keep me 'compliant' (yes, I know the sticker is somewhat arbitrary), and spending $75k on a tool that won't do what you need doesn't seem logical.
The GVWR of the truck is 11,300#. The 2020 SD Tech Specs PDF shows a Payload Rating of 4,460 for the F350 CC SB SRW 4x4 w/ a 11,300# GVWR. I've also seen a table that lists out the weight of most of the packages / options, and I can't see how this truck ate up 900# of payload w/ the options I ordered, particularly since some were actually installed at the dealer (winch, for example, which would've been the heaviest option ordered). I can't find that weight table at the moment, but I think the entire 'Lariat Ultimate' package w/ ~65#.
Per some stickers I've seen posted, I've seen a few diesel F350 Lariat Tremors at ~3450# and even 3500# for a 2020 SCSB Lariat Ultimate w/ the 6.7L. Also, a 2017 CCSB SRW Lariat Ultimate w/ a payload of >4k# (6,2L, I'm assuming, since 2017?). I would think with the 7.3, I should easily see 300-400# more than than the diesel(?). If the sticker said 3850#, I'd be OK with it, but honestly was looking for closer to 4k#.
If the SM finds anything out, I'm not in a hurry and am willing to re-order the truck with some options tweaked if necessary and wait again if it means getting a higher payload # on the sticker, but is this even possible? (BTW, I originally ordered the PTO, which I guess I don't have any real need for, but even that I think was only ~25#, right?)
Am I being unrealistic? What are others w/ 2021 Tremors seeing payload-wise? Is RAM or GMC any better payload-wise?
I probably tow the heaviest out of this website with a super duty. Personal I wouldn't be worry about it.
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Mountain Pass
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You can get into a 12500 gvwr with the diesel now, so it can get better payload than the gas motors. If payload was your main concern, I guess I don't understand why you would get into a tremor. The offroad suspension will always carry less than a standard truck. If you had a normal lariat ultimate with a camper package I bet you would be above 4000 for sure on the payload.
I'm also not 100% against a diesel, but where I live, diesel is at least $.50/gal more than Regular. I work from home, and, especially w/ staying home more due to Coronvirus, the truck would also sit for days at a time and then used to run down the street to pick up lunch or groceries (~3-5mi at a time, R/T), with longer trips on weekends (with occasional towing and hauling), to the tune of 8k miles / year. The power of the diesel would be underutilized while costing me more. I'd prefer to sick w/ the gas engine, but if a diesel gets me to where I need to be, I'll deal with it.
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Understood. But based on the info in the weight tables, the packages don't really remove that much from the base rating. <100# IIRC, even w/ the Platinum. I did order the winch with the truck, and the winch, the dual batteries, and the loading ramps are all on the sticker.
I wish I knew where to find that options weight info, you have me curious to look at it again.
That Duramax 3500 hundred # sounds like a DRW rating. If it is, Ford is probably in the same ballpark. No wait, you said CCSB so that wouldn't be DRW, hmm.
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Mountain Pass
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So does that mean you did or you did not factor the weight of the winch and associated items into the 3900lb estimate?
I wish I knew where to find that options weight info, you have me curious to look at it again.
That Duramax 3500 hundred # sounds like a DRW rating. If it is, Ford is probably in the same ballpark. No wait, you said CCSB so that wouldn't be DRW, hmm.
I wish I knew where to find that options weight info, you have me curious to look at it again.
That Duramax 3500 hundred # sounds like a DRW rating. If it is, Ford is probably in the same ballpark. No wait, you said CCSB so that wouldn't be DRW, hmm.
I found a copy of the PDF I was using w/ the option weights. it's the '2020 Super Duty specs eSourceBook'. I have a PDF copy, though for some reason, FTE won't let me upload a copy here. I can't find the original link I got it from. In it there's a table with how much each option adds to the F/R axle weights, though the copy I have is incomplete. It also doesn't include accessories, and I think it's from before the winch was available anyway. As an example, the Lariat trim is supposed to add 25/42 for the gas engine, 30/51 for the diesel (why it's different for each, I don't know...).
The 3500 was definitely the SRW, I triple checked that because I didn't believe it, either. But, from actual payload stickers I'm seeing online, it seems like people are maxing out around 3900-3950#, similar to what I was expecting from the F350.
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Payload is a concern, not necessarily my main concern. If I needed a work truck or tow vehicle, I'd go simpler with a lower trim SD as a second vehicle, maybe even an F450. Likewise, if I needed a pure off-roader, I might be looking at a Jeep or maybe a Bronco. But, I really don't want to have to deal with a second vehicle right now. As this will be my daily driver and one and only 4-wheel vehicle, I'd like it to be somewhat nice/comfortable as well as functional. I like the styling of the Tremor, I can make use of some off-road capability, and based on the specs I had access to at the time I ordered it, the F350 Tremor seemed to meet my towing needs. It just didn't come in with the specs I was expecting.
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I guess that was what I was wondering, if you planned to do some off roading...so that makes sense, I should have asked it better. I agree with above on weights, a DOT isn't going to look at a payload sticker. They would look at the axle ratings, the tire capacity, the GVWR and GCWR. If you are within those, I would say you are fine...you are doing what the truck is capable of. I also went gas instead of diesel. I have 4153 on the payload, but mine is a CCLB with 4.30 rear. I do have the ultimate package and I also have a sunroof, and I don't have the camper package. I know it is not a short bed, but just for another number comparison!
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I just wanted to remind the person posting this, while he may technically be correct that the DOT would look at GVWR, GCWR and GAWR, the payload is taken from the net of the GVWR. So when someone says payload, what they mean is the available room to put into their truck from the trailer so they are not over the GVWR. Of course that is after the curb weight, cargo, passengers etc. And if there is not enough payload available, they are over their GVWR.
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I can only say that my perspective is different. I am a recently retired professional driver. I have been thru commercial inspections. I have also been trained by professional driver-trainers to understand the terms of driving and the requirements to be met when on the road. I have personally been weighed by DOT to make sure GVWR and the GAWR is correct.
I was just trying to inform UPClone that he was correct that the payload number is not looked at, but the related number is GVWR as payload is part of that number. The likelyhood of any recreational driver being inspected is slim, but trying to understand the numbers and be within them to be safe is important.
But if one were to be inspected, GVWR is one of the things they would look at. At least in my experience.
I was just trying to inform UPClone that he was correct that the payload number is not looked at, but the related number is GVWR as payload is part of that number. The likelyhood of any recreational driver being inspected is slim, but trying to understand the numbers and be within them to be safe is important.
But if one were to be inspected, GVWR is one of the things they would look at. At least in my experience.
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I understand that completely, my point was the payload sticker can vary significantly from truck to truck, even with similar options. The only way to ever know is to weigh the truck and see what the numbers are. I fully understand what payload is, people sometimes focus so much on that they forget about all the other numbers that matter.
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Mountain Pass
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Here's the link to the doc I was using for the accessory / package weights. The table starts on p. 37.
https://madocumentupload.marketingas...fb6b7&v5=False
Been digging through the threads at Tremor Forums again. The most of the F350 7.3L Lariat Tremors seem to be in the 3800#-3995# range, even w/ the 5th wheel prep. Maybe I should've just ordered a Platinum. I have a F150 Platinum now, and was thinking I was going to miss the massage seats.
https://www.fordtremor.com/threads/a...e-3#post-11238
I'd like to know the actual weight of the truck, but the closest CAT scale is 30mi away from the dealer (actually, not too far from my house). Maybe they know of another scale closer, or maybe I can get them to agree to an 'extended test drive'.
I'll crunch some numbers and see what my sales guy has to say as well. If it's something like the Ford ramps subtracting from the weight, that's easy to deal with (just put the ramps in the back of the trailer when towing). But besides them, the PTO, and the winch, I can't think of why the discrepancy....
https://madocumentupload.marketingas...fb6b7&v5=False
Been digging through the threads at Tremor Forums again. The most of the F350 7.3L Lariat Tremors seem to be in the 3800#-3995# range, even w/ the 5th wheel prep. Maybe I should've just ordered a Platinum. I have a F150 Platinum now, and was thinking I was going to miss the massage seats.
https://www.fordtremor.com/threads/a...e-3#post-11238
I'd like to know the actual weight of the truck, but the closest CAT scale is 30mi away from the dealer (actually, not too far from my house). Maybe they know of another scale closer, or maybe I can get them to agree to an 'extended test drive'.
I'll crunch some numbers and see what my sales guy has to say as well. If it's something like the Ford ramps subtracting from the weight, that's easy to deal with (just put the ramps in the back of the trailer when towing). But besides them, the PTO, and the winch, I can't think of why the discrepancy....
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Mine is very similar to yours, 21 F350 4x4 Lariat, with Ultimate, Sport, Ultimate Trailer Tow, Moonroof, 5th wheel prep. Also have the 4.30 gears and Adaptive Steering. NO TREMOR package for me. My sticker shows #3849... I do have the 11,300# GVWR package.
Yours seems low!
Yours seems low!
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Mountain Pass
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Mine is very similar to yours, 21 F350 4x4 Lariat, with Ultimate, Sport, Ultimate Trailer Tow, Moonroof, 5th wheel prep. Also have the 4.30 gears and Adaptive Steering. NO TREMOR package for me. My sticker shows #3849... I do have the 11,300# GVWR package.
Yours seems low!
Yours seems low!
Still eyeing this GMC 3500 w/ the Duramax. Per GMC's site, it has a payload of over 5300# (left and middle column is CC w/ 6.5' bed, Gas in Left column, Duramax in Center. Right is the LB Dually just for comparison). Is this for real? If so, Ford's got some catching up to do!
https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/35...ngineThree=L5P
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Still eyeing this GMC 3500 w/ the Duramax. Per GMC's site, it has a payload of over 5300# (left and middle column is CC w/ 6.5' bed, Gas in Left column, Duramax in Center. Right is the LB Dually just for comparison). Is this for real? If so, Ford's got some catching up to do!
https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/35...ngineThree=L5P
Im only seeing two columns but I'll look again. Something is fishy about those numbers. The curb weight seems really light for a crew cab, 4x4, diesel. If that is not accurate then the payload number is also not accurate for a CCSB 4x diesel. The trend that I think GM might have started is the increase to GVWR, they are showing a 12,100 pound GVWR, at the moment Ford doesn't offer that in a short bed SRW. There has been debate on how realistic these increased numbers (GVWR/Payload) are on a SRW truck, in real use.
EDIT- Looked again and see they are using the same curb weight for both the gas and diesel.
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That's about dead on with what I was expecting (actually hoping for a bit >3900# w/o the sunroof), but with the Tremor package. I knew I'd probably be a bit short because of the options I tacked on, though. I also got the Adaptive Steering (not sure if I mentioned that before). I knew the Tremor package limited the max tow ratings a bit, but I didn't think there'd be much of an additional hit on payload.
Still eyeing this GMC 3500 w/ the Duramax. Per GMC's site, it has a payload of over 5300# (left and middle column is CC w/ 6.5' bed, Gas in Left column, Duramax in Center. Right is the LB Dually just for comparison). Is this for real? If so, Ford's got some catching up to do!
https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/35...ngineThree=L5P
Still eyeing this GMC 3500 w/ the Duramax. Per GMC's site, it has a payload of over 5300# (left and middle column is CC w/ 6.5' bed, Gas in Left column, Duramax in Center. Right is the LB Dually just for comparison). Is this for real? If so, Ford's got some catching up to do!
https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/35...ngineThree=L5P
It will likely be a lot closer to what the others (Ford and Ram) are. 5500 pounds with a crewcab diesel is dually territory.