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Doing some snooping at a local dealer I checked out this 2020 F250 XLT with High Capacity Trailer Tow to see how it actually affected payload numbers. In my searching before I ordered my truck I never did find posts here with real world 2020+ HCTT packages. So I am going to attach the payload stickers I got off the door and the window sticker so someone in the future will be able to find this quickly, I hope.
Mine is similar but with a few different options including the hitch prep system that put the sticker at 2906lbs. The actual curb weight was less than the sticker math by 114lbs.
The base curb weight is defined in the guide as "the weight of the truck including a full tank of fuel, and all standard equipment. It does not include passengers, cargo or any optional equipment." So technically it is the truck as equipped from the factory, full tank of gas, but with no people in the truck. The payload number on the sticker is really not exact as it is a calculation. The real/actual curb weight, subtracted by the GVWR of your truck, equals the payload. In the picture above, the truck has a GVWR of 10800, a calculated payload of 3085lbs which gives a curb weight of 7715lbs estimated from the manufacturer but an actual scale weight should be done to get the actual curb weight and calculate the actual payload. The estimate from the manufacturer should be close but real numbers are better.
From the Door Tag:
160 Wheel Base
3J is a 3.55 axle (electronic locking) which relates to a 6.7 Diesel
From the Ordering Guide.
There is 2 applicable options regarding the F250 High Capacity. I dont know why there are differences in requirements but will quote from the guide.
F250 Trailer Tow Package - High Capacity code 535
-requires 6.7 Diesel
-available on all trim levels
-Trailer Brake Controller TBC (52B) on XL SRW req
-not applicable to 10000/9900 GVWR or Pick Up Delete
The F250 Trailer Tow High Capacity with Ultimate Trailer Tow Camera System and Pro Trailer Back Up Assist is code 53Q
-It is available on all trim levels of the F250
-Must have the 6.7 Diesel
-Not available with Pickup Delete
From the Ordering Guide, I can see one other issue when towing.
Basic manual telescoping mirrors come on an XL.
The manual, telescoping mirrors with power heated glass etc is standard on the XLT, and not available on Lariat and higher. code 54K
The power-folding mirrors are not available on the XL, option on the XLT, and standard on the Lariat and above. code 54F
With code 535, it would come with the 3 inch hitch receiver
In the Tow Guide it shows the F250 with the High Capacity Package and 3.55 gears has a 30000lbs GCWR and a fifth wheel rating of 18,100 with the 160 WB.
Of course there are many other issues about wether to go full F350 or to get a F250 with the higher capacity. I tried to help out with defining what it is. I dont know the actual numbers of how much more is a F250 and adding the Higher Capacity, or just ordering a F350.
It's helpful for readers to know what engine is affiliated with the jamb stickers.
Of course, the HCTT requires the diesel engine.
I will leave to the reader what can be inferred from the fact that the HCTT package increases the GVWR of the F250 by the approximate number of additional pounds the PSD adds.
It's helpful for readers to know what engine is affiliated with the jamb stickers.
Of course, the HCTT requires the diesel engine.
I will leave to the reader what can be inferred from the fact that the HCTT package increases the GVWR of the F250 by the approximate number of additional pounds the PSD adds.
The HCTT can only be optioned on a 6.7L diesel engine with 3.55 gears. I think I was clear in my quotes from the ordering guide and the towing guide. And except for the 6.2L, they all come with the ten speed transmission.
To me, the real question is, what advantage is there in ordering a 10800lb GVW (on the door jam) truck vs a 11400lb truck (standard) when ordering the diesel engine? A F250 with HCTT vs F350. I assume there is an additional cost of the F250 for the HCTT option vs the cost for the upgrade from the F250 to the F350. I would think the cost is relatively the same.
More information is always good! Unfortunately that tow guide is far from clear where the HCTT package comes into play, which is really why I started my hunt for an actual stickered payload number. I have read enough of the payload threads to understand the math but thanks for providing it again.
Originally Posted by Kenny Bania
It's helpful for readers to know what engine is affiliated with the jamb stickers.
Of course, the HCTT requires the diesel engine.
I will leave to the reader what can be inferred from the fact that the HCTT package increases the GVWR of the F250 by the approximate number of additional pounds the PSD adds.
That is why I attached the window sticker for that truck. I wanted it to be as clear as possible what options that particular truck came with. The HCTT raises the payload value the approximate extra weight of the PSD and adds the F350 Dana M275 axel, by all accounts a stronger axel. By doing so it puts the F250 with HCTT in a transitional spot between F250 and F350 (SRW of course) and allows people like myself to recoup some of payload lost by the PSD while still keeping our trucks GVW lower for registration purposes. Its not for everyone and certainly has its disadvantages but it works great for what I'm going to need out of a F250.
I love the fact that you are serious in your purchase and trying to learn all about your potential new truck. It is not always easy to know the depth of knowledge of someone on this forum. And then others will join the discussion and if I am not clear and fully detailed in what I am saying then it causes issues.
Purchase the truck that you want. I am a big believer in ordering the truck of your dreams to get exactly what you want. I just wanted you to consider the fact that if payload is an issue for you, then for the same money as the F250 with HCTT, you can get a F350 with about 600lbs more payload.
When you get your truck, you must post a picture of it here to show us how beautiful it is.
The HCTT can only be optioned on a 6.7L diesel engine with 3.55 gears. I think I was clear in my quotes from the ordering guide and the towing guide. And except for the 6.2L, they all come with the ten speed transmission.
To me, the real question is, what advantage is there in ordering a 10800lb GVW (on the door jam) truck vs a 11400lb truck (standard) when ordering the diesel engine? A F250 with HCTT vs F350. I assume there is an additional cost of the F250 for the HCTT option vs the cost for the upgrade from the F250 to the F350. I would think the cost is relatively the same.
Its the same truck as the 350 with 65psi spec’d in the rear tires.
I assume you can get the 9,900 derate on it. Also some insurance companies (especially commercial) will increase the cost quite a bit if its a 350, some HOAs will not allow 350 “one tons”, and around here the cops will find a reason to pull you over if they think your GCWR is over 26,000.
But yeah if that stuff isnt an issue the 350 is pretty much the same price.
Its the same truck as the 350 with 65psi spec’d in the rear tires.
I assume you can get the 9,900 derate on it. Also some insurance companies (especially commercial) will increase the cost quite a bit if its a 350, some HOAs will not allow 350 “one tons”, and around here the cops will find a reason to pull you over if they think your GCWR is over 26,000.
But yeah if that stuff isnt an issue the 350 is pretty much the same price.
In a previous post, where I quote the ordering guide, the HCTT is not available with the 10000/9900 GVWR ratings. The reason is, it increases the payload. That makes it a higher rated truck. And it is only available in the 6.7L diesel with 3.55 gears.
While I do understand that there are other issues that influence what truck to buy, once payload is an issue, and you go from 10000 to 10800, why not go to 11400 at no cost. In the particular instance of an HOA where you cannot have a 1 ton, I could see the stealth aspect of a F250 HCTT being needed.
I love the fact that you are serious in your purchase and trying to learn all about your potential new truck. It is not always easy to know the depth of knowledge of someone on this forum. And then others will join the discussion and if I am not clear and fully detailed in what I am saying then it causes issues.
Purchase the truck that you want. I am a big believer in ordering the truck of your dreams to get exactly what you want. I just wanted you to consider the fact that if payload is an issue for you, then for the same money as the F250 with HCTT, you can get a F350 with about 600lbs more payload.
When you get your truck, you must post a picture of it here to show us how beautiful it is.
100% correct! Its impossible to know what knowledge someone has when they make a post, especially on a topic as highly contentious as Payload and Tow Capability difference between F250 and F350.
I've been a bit discouraged by the behavior of some members listed as 'senior' on here downright rude and frankly lacking current production knowledge, just look at a number of comments on the 'Coming from a Tundra' post.
I did order my "dream truck" from all the research I did before November. I'm still pretty happy with the choices I've made. I ordered an Antimatter Blue F250 Lariat Ultimate, SCREW, SB, 6.7L, HCTT, Black Appearance. Which will tow my current TT (between 5k and 6k loaded) and any future TT I would have an interest actually pulling. I've never towed a 5th wheel and currently don't have any interest in one. Take all that with the knowledge I ordered my "dream truck" (F150 XLT SCREW 6.5 box V8) in 2015 and my dream changed with experience. So we will see what the future brings.
The HCTT can only be optioned on a 6.7L diesel engine with 3.55 gears. I think I was clear in my quotes from the ordering guide and the towing guide. And except for the 6.2L, they all come with the ten speed transmission.
To me, the real question is, what advantage is there in ordering a 10800lb GVW (on the door jam) truck vs a 11400lb truck (standard) when ordering the diesel engine? A F250 with HCTT vs F350. I assume there is an additional cost of the F250 for the HCTT option vs the cost for the upgrade from the F250 to the F350. I would think the cost is relatively the same.
I am not sure you understood that I was "mostly" agreeing with you.
I will note that "mostly the same" has a different meaning than "the same".
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