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Old Dec 20, 2020 | 12:59 PM
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Hi all,

I’m having problems with the heater not blowing hot on my 2000 excursion v10 4x4.
I am only getting about 100 deg out of the defroster ducts, same with the floor position.
I am getting about 120 deg out of the dash vents. These temps are when fully warmed up and at idle.
The temps are a little LOWER when on the road at 60-70 mph. That seems backwards?

My coolant temp is around 200 deg. Confirmed by my scanner, plus the gauge is in the center. The level is full. The heater control valve seems to be working fine.
the inlet and outlet on the front heater core are both very hot.

I suspected a blend door issue. So I removed the actuator. It’s working. I manually moved the blend door, it’s working fine.
the vent position switches all seem to be working. Everything switches as it should.

I am not sure what to check next. What am I missing?

All help is appreciated. My wife drives this and she doesn’t like to freeze. I know, she’s picky, right?
I'm located in western NY.

thanks,

Joe


 
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Old Dec 20, 2020 | 02:48 PM
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There is a vacuum operated valve in the engine bay that bypasses the heater core when using ac. Check to see that that is opening all the way or you have a vacuum leak there.
 
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Old Dec 20, 2020 | 03:36 PM
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Dweber, thanks for the reply.

I did check that. I have heat on both sides of that valve.

please correct me if I’m wrong. It looks like vacuum is applied to that valve Only when you switch to max ac. Otherwise coolant runs through at all times.
I do have vacuum there on max ac only. I can also feel something move in that valve when switching max ac on and off.
So I think that valve is ok.

Do I have that right?

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Joe
 
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Old Dec 20, 2020 | 05:18 PM
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What about the rear heat? Is it delivering good hot heat?
 
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Old Dec 20, 2020 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 01__Excursion
What about the rear heat? Is it delivering good hot heat?
hello, 01
no, the rear heat is about the same as the front.

sorry, should have included that info.

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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 12:09 AM
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Joe how is your thermostat? If it was changed, was a motor craft one installed? Many fellow Ex owners have had problems with aftermarket thermostats. Good luck chasing down the problem
 
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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 01:04 AM
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Could be a coolant thermostat, could be a worn water pump impeller, could also be a blocked heater hose fitting on the block.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Vinny G-the EX man
Joe how is your thermostat? If it was changed, was a motor craft one installed? Many fellow Ex owners have had problems with aftermarket thermostats. Good luck chasing down the problem
Vinny G.

The thermostat is a couple years old. Not sure of the brand.

I don’t think there is a problem with it. My scanner is showing proper operation and temps are running in the 200 degree range.
Plus my infrared temp gun shows correct temps when pointed at the block below the t/stat housing.

At this point I might as well replace because of age to see if I get lucky. But all signs say it’s working fine.

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Joe
 
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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 01__Excursion
Could be a coolant thermostat, could be a worn water pump impeller, could also be a blocked heater hose fitting on the block.
good morning 01,

I will drain some coolant to change the thermostat for the hell of it. I will pull the hose to the heater control valve to inspect for build up at the same time.

I see people mentioning warn water pump impellers in my research. And I have seen that once or twice over the years.

The question I have with that is. Wouldn’t I be having overheating problems? Or at least erratic coolant temps if the impeller is that bad?
My scanner is showing consistent temps between 200-210 when driving.

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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 06:51 PM
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My local Ford dealer didn’t have a thermostat in stock.

They should have one tomorrow. I hope to work on it again tomorrow evening or Wednesday.
I will give an update if the thermostat made any difference. Or if I find anything else.

All your ideas and comments are appreciated.

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Joe
 
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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 07:14 PM
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I had a similar heat issue but this was just after changing and flushing the coolant. It took quite some time to get all the air out of the system.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Kapusta
I had a similar heat issue but this was just after changing and flushing the coolant. It took quite some time to get all the air out of the system.
Kapusta,

There hasn’t been any work recent work done on the cooling system. But I did think of a air lock and went thru the burping process just in case.
I will do it again after changing the stat, etc.

thanks for the idea.

Joe
 
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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 09:52 PM
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Could be a blocked heater core. I just changed mine before the head gaskets went on my truck. When I finally got it out I blew in it and blew in the new one. Huge diff in flow. The harder part for me was pulling the hose connectors off the heater core. I ended up using really long needle nose pliers with a 45 bend.
 
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Old Dec 22, 2020 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Sherman Manley
Could be a blocked heater core. I just changed mine before the head gaskets went on my truck. When I finally got it out I blew in it and blew in the new one. Huge diff in flow. The harder part for me was pulling the hose connectors off the heater core. I ended up using really long needle nose pliers with a 45 bend.
Hi Sherman Manley,

The core was what I suspected at first along with the blend door.
But when I was under the dash I could touch both the inlet and outlet of the core. Both were very hot. Plus all the lines under the hood seem hot. So I don’t think that’s it at this point.
I plan on rechecking all that when I mess with it again later.

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Joe



 
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Old Dec 23, 2020 | 11:33 PM
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Yes,on ours 1/2 the heater core was plugged. It's honestly not that hard to change. The worst part was the quick couplers in the engine bay. I cut the ends off the heater core and pulled them into the engine bay where I could reach them.
 
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