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Old Dec 13, 2020 | 12:12 PM
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Hub Centric Rings Needed?

Looking to put new wheels on my 2021. Specs show it has a hub bore of 124.9mm. The new wheels have a hub bore of 125.5mm. With .6mm of difference, no ring should be needed, right?
 
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Looking to put new wheels on my 2021. Specs show it has a hub bore of 124.9mm. The new wheels have a hub bore of 125.5mm. With .6mm of difference, no ring should be needed, right?
correct, your new wheels should be lug centric by design.
 
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Originally Posted by RainDesert
correct, your new wheels should be lug centric by design.
Understood, thanks!
 
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Old Dec 13, 2020 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RainDesert
correct, your new wheels should be lug centric by design.
I’d love for a Ford engineer to chime in on this one. Back in the day I was told to never go lugcentric on a truck this big. I was told the OEM wheels were hubcentric for a reason. The engineering might allow for lugcentric rims. I just can’t imagine they are as stout as a rim centered and supported on the bore of the hub.
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Originally Posted by coachhomer
I’d love for a Ford engineer to chime in on this one. Back in the day I was told to never go lugcentric on a truck this big. I was told the OEM wheels were hubcentric for a reason. The engineering might allow for lugcentric rims. I just can’t imagine they are as stout as a rim centered and supported on the bore of the hub.
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Agreed, it would be nice having an engineering perspective. I've been throwing around the idea of two different wheels, one as I previously mentioned that has a bore of 125.5mm and the other that's 125.2mm. I'm actually leaning toward the 125.2mm wheel, which puts the tolerance even narrower at .3mm. If I had to guess, that should fit rather snug on the hub.
 
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Old Dec 14, 2020 | 08:24 AM
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Not an engineer here but I put my trucks and SUVs through a good amount of off road time. This is a big reason why I never consider anything but an OEM wheel.

I refuse to trust anything lug centric in a precarious situation. Lugs were not made for that.
 
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Old Dec 14, 2020 | 08:56 AM
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There are billions of miles put on trucks with lug-centric wheels every year. They do just fine.

Yes, a hub-centric setup will be stronger, but the lugs on these trucks are plenty strong enough to handle what the truck can handle.
 
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I was thinking the same. 8 lugs at 150 ft. lbs each - those things aren't going anywhere. With that said, probably not better than hub centric short of welding the wheels on.
 
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Originally Posted by coachhomer
I’d love for a Ford engineer to chime in on this one. Back in the day I was told to never go lugcentric on a truck this big. I was told the OEM wheels were hubcentric for a reason. The engineering might allow for lugcentric rims. I just can’t imagine they are as stout as a rim centered and supported on the bore of the hub.
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my concern as well

 
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Old Dec 14, 2020 | 11:00 AM
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I'm with ATC Crazy on this. I think the want for hub-centric wheels is part of our drive for bigger, better, stronger; even when we are already using over-built parts.
 
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Old Dec 14, 2020 | 11:34 AM
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With tolerance that tight grease the rims up good or you will
never get them back off.
 
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Old Dec 14, 2020 | 11:43 AM
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I only run hub centric OEM wheels on my stuff. Good read on the topic -

https://www.machinedesign.com/fasten...centric-wheels
 
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Old Dec 14, 2020 | 12:02 PM
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I only run hub centric OEM wheels on my stuff. Good read on the topic -

https://www.machinedesign.com/fasten...centric-wheels
The examples of failure that they used is very misleading. Based on the wear and distortion on the holes of the "lug centric wheel on a hub centric vehicle" failure, it would have you believe that this happened under normal conditions with the wheel mounting arrangement being the culprit for the failure. It appears that the upper right lug nut was the only one still tight when the wheel was removed, and the other 3 that are visible (and likely the one covered) came loose, leading to oblong holes. It is also not stated if the lug nuts used were a tapered cone for a tapered seat, or if the flatter hub centric nuts were used on a tapered seat, which would obviously not center the wheel as designed, and never fully clamp it as intended.
 
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Old Dec 14, 2020 | 12:09 PM
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You will not likely get a Ford engineer to response other than to say use the rim the vehicle comes with, anything else would be a liability. It was designed and sold using hub centric wheel for a reason. Most of the time it will be fine, but what if your are maximum payload and hit a large pothole, would you feel more comfortable knowing the impact was being taken by the lugs and studs or by the hub, lugs and studs?

Also, the proper lug not torque is 165 ft-lbs.

 
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Old Dec 14, 2020 | 12:13 PM
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What's the bore on the stock rims?
 
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