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Door sticker says: 2,751lbs payload, front GAWR 5200lbs, rear GAWR 6340lbs GVWR 10,800lbs. I don't see anywhere what my combined weight rating is. I could be blind and don't see it.
I don't think you do. When I was shopping around back in August not all Tremor's had the HCTP.
All F250 6.7 Trucks with Tremor option also have the HCTP. It is required as the Tremor is only equipped with the M275 rear axle and that is part of the HCTP on the F250. You will not see this on the F350 for obvious reasons.
All F250 6.7 Trucks with Tremor option also have the HCTP. It is required as the Tremor is only equipped with the M275 rear axle and that is part of the HCTP on the F250. You will not see this on the F350 for obvious reasons.
I don't think you do. When I was shopping around back in August not all Tremor's had the HCTP.
The HCTTP is only for the 6.7L F250 trucks. It bumps up the GVWR to 10,800 and is required on the F250 and the Tremor with the 6.7L according to the order guide. It is not available for the 7.3L F250/350 or the 6.7L F350. I am almost positive all 6.7L Tremors get the 3” reciver and the 7.3L variants only get the 2.5” reciver even though the towing guide edited 2/27/20 shows all Temors limited to 15K conventional. The 6.7L 3” hitches are rated for the 21k and some change. Not sure if is a typo in the towing guide or they really want you to limit to 15K conventional with the 6.7L despite the hitch being good for much more.
The HCTTP is only for the 6.7L F250 trucks. It bumps up the GVWR to 10,800 and is required on the F250 and the Tremor with the 6.7L according to the order guide. It is not available for the 7.3L F250/350 or the 6.7L F350. I am almost positive all 6.7L Tremors get the 3” reciver and the 7.3L variants only get the 2.5” reciver even though the towing guide edited 2/27/20 shows all Temors limited to 15K conventional. The 6.7L 3” hitches are rated for the 21k and some change. Not sure if is a typo in the towing guide or they really want you to limit to 15K conventional with the 6.7L despite the hitch being good for much more.
Well that makes it clear as mud! It's annoying that it's this confusing. At least RAM has a VIN lookup tool and it shows you exactly what you're towing capabilities are. I really wish Ford could be more clear and transparent about it. That's a big difference in towing ability. Not that I'll ever get near that with my truck. Because of my payload, I'm kind of already restricted to a trailer weighing no more than 10-12k because of tongue or pin weight if I stay with the 20% rule.
It does make since to have to have the HCTTP with the diesel engine because of the extra weight.
Thanks for the extra insight. This is all valuable information.
Tongue weight rating and pin weight rating are not the same. Tongue weight is usually put at only 12 percent of the GVW of the trailer whereas pin weight is usually calculated at 20 to 25 percent of the fifth wheel GVW.
Well that makes it clear as mud! It's annoying that it's this confusing. At least RAM has a VIN lookup tool and it shows you exactly what you're towing capabilities are. I really wish Ford could be more clear and transparent about it. That's a big difference in towing ability. Not that I'll ever get near that with my truck. Because of my payload, I'm kind of already restricted to a trailer weighing no more than 10-12k because of tongue or pin weight if I stay with the 20% rule.
It does make since to have to have the HCTTP with the diesel engine because of the extra weight.
Thanks for the extra insight. This is all valuable information.
Again refer to the towing guide. It clearly shows 15k if Tremor equipped for standard towing. The note number 3 applies. Non Tremor equipped trucks are rated higher.
Well that makes it clear as mud! It's annoying that it's this confusing. At least RAM has a VIN lookup tool and it shows you exactly what you're towing capabilities are. I really wish Ford could be more clear and transparent about it. That's a big difference in towing ability. Not that I'll ever get near that with my truck. Because of my payload, I'm kind of already restricted to a trailer weighing no more than 10-12k because of tongue or pin weight if I stay with the 20% rule.
It does make since to have to have the HCTTP with the diesel engine because of the extra weight.
Thanks for the extra insight. This is all valuable information.
I here you there I really struggled trying to figure it all out before ordering. Since I went gas made it easier to know that the conventional towing is only 15K. Step to a goose/5er and is a mess again. If using 20% pin weight and normal passenger weight for me would be limited to about 17K 5er/goose before going over GVWR of my F350 Tremor gas. With just me in the cab and full tank of gas can get to about 19500 at 20% pin before going over the 11,300 GVWR. Unfortunately it took actually getting the truck and weighing it to come to the ultimate max towing numbers with a typical load.
Tongue weight rating and pin weight rating are not the same. Tongue weight is usually put at only 12 percent of the GVW of the trailer whereas pin weight is usually calculated at 20 to 25 percent of the fifth wheel GVW.
I know they're not the same. I know I can tow more with a 5h wheel/gooseneck. Still doesn't change my payload capacity. Last time I took everything to the CAT scale our TT came in at 8,660lbs. When I weighed the tongue it was 1,300lbs. So 15%.
With those numbers I could easily do 15,000lbs for conventional towing if I stayed within 15% tongue weight but that puts me dangerously close to my payload limit if my whole family is in the truck. I'm not even sure conventional towing TT's get that heavy (that I've seen). Obviously 5th wheels easily get that heavy and beyond but I'm not sure I'd move into a 5th wheel without going to a 350.
This is the towing limits sticker on a Ford factory trailer hitch for my 2020 Ford F-350 XLT 4WD 7.3L gasser TorqShift 10R140 transmission 4.30 gears Ford/Dana 275 rear axle 5-er/gooseneck prepped SB SC:
Curb weight: 6653 (base) or 6798 or 7243 depending on what stats you believe.
payload: 4610 or 4580 or 4320 or 4066 pounds depending.
It has 4 leaves in the rear pack and a single upper secondary leaf spring.
GVWR is 11,300 pounds mostly limited by the single rear tire load rating (E) with 275/70R18E A/T 33.2 inch diameter tires, each with a 3640 pound load rating.
with 2 more tires a dually is rated at 14K pounds GVWR.
trailer tow rating 20K pounds according to the book not the sticker.
It has the 5th wheel hitch prep across the frame under the bed with attachment plugs on the bed.
max 5th/gooseneck tow weight rating: is a CGWR of 28K pounds.
Always? I think it depends on the truck configuration. My 2019 Lariat CCSB, 6.2L, 4x4, has a conventional tow rating of 12,500#. Payload rating is 3102#. Assuming a 15% tongue weight, which is on the high side for recommended tongue weight, the max tongue weight would be 1875# leaving 1227# of payload for people and cargo. I don't think payload is a limiting factor in my case.
I was speaking about the F250 diesel that belongs to the OP
You are correct, F-350 Gas trucks are certainly an exception to my payload rule.
This was true on my 2017 F-350 6.2 Lariat CCLB that had a 4080 payload, and even more so on the new CCLB trucks with the 12400 GVWR
For my current 2019 F-350 CCLB diesel with a 3280 payload, it is once again my limiting factor for towing a 5th wheel.
I am almost 100% sure the f250 tremor and f350 are identical besides the rear tire air pressure.
So if you are getting close on the axle or payload you can air up for some additional capacity. Truck isnt rated for it but there is no reason not to take the safety option.
