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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 05:02 PM
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We'd like to help you repair it. But until you tell us what the computer knows, there's not much we can do.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Aristotle
My truck is a 1989, so a computer cannot diagnose much on it. Guessing is primarily what I am stuck with.
Your assumptions of what the computer can tell you is 100% incorrect. How do you think the techs diagnose problems? I think you should have picked a different username
 
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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 07:29 PM
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We'd like to help you repair it. But until you tell us what the computer knows, there's not much we can do.
Thank you, but I do not do motor vehicle repairs. I barely know what to put in the petrol. I am a senior citizen who was never trained to work on a motor vehicle in my life. The garage will have to take care of this, but I tried to do a little research so I could at least offer some ideas as to what might be wrong with it. This old thread gave me some good ideas.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by My4Fordtrucks
Your assumptions of what the computer can tell you is 100% incorrect. How do you think the techs diagnose problems? I think you should have picked a different username
You obviously do not read what people write. I stated earlier that my truck is not amenable to computer diagnosis, which is PRECISELY why only two garages in town will try to work on it. It is a 1989 model---35 years old. Many folks working at garages now have never worked on a truck this old and have no idea where to begin. Thanks for the opinion, though, genius.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Aristotle
Thank you, but I do not do motor vehicle repairs. I barely know what to put in the petrol. I am a senior citizen who was never trained to work on a motor vehicle in my life. The garage will have to take care of this, but I tried to do a little research so I could at least offer some ideas as to what might be wrong with it. This old thread gave me some good ideas.
​​​​​​These trucks are old, but rather easy to work out issues on. I have a 91 f150. They are OBD1 computers, so you can pull codes with a paperclip, counting the CEL flashes. Or you can buy a scanner on Amazon for like $45, it will display the codes for you.

Personally I wouldn't trust a shop that isn't competent enough to work on one of these.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 08:02 PM
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Wow, old thread..

This is what you need. You can buy one direct from Innova or on Amazon, probably lots of other places too. Order one, and bring it with you to the shop you use. They should be able to figure it out. If they can’t, I’d guess it’s because they have no interest in working on it, and you’ll have to find a shop that will.

https://www.innova.com/products/digi...1981-1995-3145
 
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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Junktownbill99
​​​​​​These trucks are old, but rather easy to work out issues on. I have a 91 f150. They are OBD1 computers, so you can pull codes with a paperclip, counting the CEL flashes. Or you can buy a scanner on Amazon for like $45, it will display the codes for you.

Personally I wouldn't trust a shop that isn't competent enough to work on one of these.
Well, I am pretty limited. Only Firestone and one family owned shop is willing to work on a truck this old. Believe me, the last time it needed work, I called a lot of garages within about a 12 mile radius. I do not want to tow 30 miles for someone to look at it. Do not want to return to Firestone if I can avoid. Too many problems with them over the last decade. This other garage is the only one willing to work on it. I do not have a lot of choice.

I heard O'Reilly Auto Parts also will run some sort of diagnostic for "Check Engine," but they stop at 1996. They will not look at a 1989.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 09:38 PM
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Wow, old thread..

This is what you need. You can buy one direct from Innova or on Amazon, probably lots of other places too. Order one, and bring it with you to the shop you use. They should be able to figure it out. If they can’t, I’d guess it’s because they have no interest in working on it, and you’ll have to find a shop that will.

https://www.innova.com/products/digi...1981-1995-3145
Thanks, Jeff. I will consider it. Does it work on all automobiles? The reason I ask is I sincerely hope to sell this truck by early next year. I hate to put any more money into it right now, but it is all I have. Without it, I am stranded. I have no one to help me get to doctor, chemist, grocery, or anywhere else. Once it is running okay again, though, I am going to list it for sale. A couple of people told me it is worth $20K or more. If I can get that much for it, I will be able to buy something newer than hopefully can last me the rest of my life. I am getting up there in age now, and I really would like to get one more good vehicle (preferably a truck) to last until I die.

ETA: I put one in my cart on Amazon so I will not forget. I have absolutely no idea whatsoever how to even use one these.
 

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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Aristotle
Thanks, Jeff. I will consider it. Does it work on all automobiles? The reason I ask is I sincerely hope to sell this truck by early next year. I hate to put any more money into it right now, but it is all I have. Without it, I am stranded. I have no one to help me get to doctor, chemist, grocery, or anywhere else. Once it is running okay again, though, I am going to list it for sale. A couple of people told me it is worth $20K or more. If I can get that much for it, I will be able to buy something newer than hopefully can last me the rest of my life. I am getting up there in age now, and I really would like to get one more good vehicle (preferably a truck) to last until I die.

ETA: I put one in my cart on Amazon so I will not forget. I have absolutely no idea whatsoever how to even use one these.
A scanner, or paperclip will work, that's the point of trouble codes.

Plug scanner in. Turn key on. Record numbers. Don't worry about KOER (key on engine running) test
 
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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 10:09 PM
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Okay, Bill. Thanks.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2024 | 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Aristotle
You obviously do not read what people write. I stated earlier that my truck is not amenable to computer diagnosis, which is PRECISELY why only two garages in town will try to work on it. It is a 1989 model---35 years old. Many folks working at garages now have never worked on a truck this old and have no idea where to begin. Thanks for the opinion, though, genius.
You are the one that does not understand. As the other posters have stated, you can retrieve Key On Engine Off (KOEO) fault codes with a paper clip or get a code reader. Use the codes to test the sensor or wiring to determine what set the code. That is no different than a new car although many people see the fault code on a ‘96 and newer model and start throwing parts at it instead of actually doing any diagnostic testing. Good luck

I wouldn’t say I’m a genius but I was a Ford certified tech in the 90’s so I worked on these vehicles when they were new.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2024 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Aristotle
You obviously do not read what people write. I stated earlier that my truck is not amenable to computer diagnosis, which is PRECISELY why only two garages in town will try to work on it. It is a 1989 model---35 years old. Many folks working at garages now have never worked on a truck this old and have no idea where to begin. Thanks for the opinion, though, genius.
find a garage or mechanic in your area who still has an OBD1 scan tool. there are also methods of getting the codes from the ECM using a paperclip method and watching the dash lights flash as it goes thru the self tests.

you can read here for the paperclip method: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...aper-clip.html
 
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Old Jul 22, 2024 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mackendw
find a garage or mechanic in your area who still has an OBD1 scan tool. there are also methods of getting the codes from the ECM using a paperclip method and watching the dash lights flash as it goes thru the self tests.

you can read here for the paperclip method: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...aper-clip.html
Thank you. I will keep this in mind. I had it towed to the garage this morning. I just spoke to them. They said it was the throttle sensor. Is there any other name for throttle sensor? Anyway, they worked on it last year for me, and they said the part was under warranty, so they already repaired it.

I am very relieved. There is only one thing I do not understand. The lady said the mechanic wants to keep it overnight to make sure it starts up properly in the morning. Does that sound like a normal thing to do?? I want to get it back asap. I have never been told anything like that before, I felt I had to agree because I am not a mechanic, you know?
 
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Old Jul 22, 2024 | 03:18 PM
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By "throttle sensor" I'm going to assume he's talking about the TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) if it fails, it can cause some issues. Do you know what TPS code was there?

It can be tested, and is pretty easy to replace.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2024 | 03:20 PM
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Sounds reasonable to me. Just to be sure. Sometimes, if you are a long term / known customer, and have an intermittent issue, they may even drive it back and forth to the shop for a couple of days to trouble shoot / diagnose.

Sounds like it might be a decent shop after all, most would just kick it out the door and wish you the best of luck with it.

I wouldn’t start second guessing them, unless they give you reason to.

If possible, try to use Motorcraft parts when available.

TPS = Throttle Position Sensor.
 
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