Fith Wheel towing issue
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From: Florida
^^^ That!!! A F250 Diesel CCSB weighs about 7,800 lbs. My F350 CCSB weighs 7,977 lbs. No way does a F250 weigh almost 1,000 less.
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Your in a tough spot. A lot of us have been there.
These trucks have tremendous power and capability. They are heavy and designed very well. They carry over weight loads all over the country.
The problem is it’s illegal. I am by no means a finger pointer. What you do is your business, but when it hit home for me was liability.
Driving 20,000 lbs down the road is a lot of fun, but if disaster strikes I am not willing to loose everything I have because I chose to say it will be alright.
I made sure I was within my limits, and also paid extra to make sure my LIC Plate is rated high enough, and my insurance companies know what I’m doing.
We all work hard to have fun, I’m just sharing my perspective. Ultimately I didn’t get the 5th wheel I wanted but next month when I leave West Virginia for Daytona I’m not worried about any of that stuff.
These trucks have tremendous power and capability. They are heavy and designed very well. They carry over weight loads all over the country.
The problem is it’s illegal. I am by no means a finger pointer. What you do is your business, but when it hit home for me was liability.
Driving 20,000 lbs down the road is a lot of fun, but if disaster strikes I am not willing to loose everything I have because I chose to say it will be alright.
I made sure I was within my limits, and also paid extra to make sure my LIC Plate is rated high enough, and my insurance companies know what I’m doing.
We all work hard to have fun, I’m just sharing my perspective. Ultimately I didn’t get the 5th wheel I wanted but next month when I leave West Virginia for Daytona I’m not worried about any of that stuff.
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Nov 2019
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From: Livingston Tx
Unfortunately they won’t people are hard headed and don’t understand what we are trying to say.
Mountain Pass
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From: Manitoba, Canada
People that are worried about "losing everything"? Would it not have to be proved that you caused the accident because you were over weight? And prove that if you were driving a F350 with a different sticker the accident would not have happened? If you use that line of thinking do you worry if you drive 1 km over the speed limit because you could lose everything? What about if there is some snow on you window? Or the window fogs up? What about if you lose a wheel and cause an accident and you are the one who can't prove you retorqued your wheel nuts? It is a slippery slope thinking that way. It's not a F150 or Ranger. It has already been proven it is the same truck with a different sticker. It is not more or less safe.
Mountain Pass
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Why take the chance or have to spend $ks on a lawyer to prove your over loaded truck wasn't the cause for the accident? Why not spend just a tiny bit more for the legal equipped truck?
Sadly this battle will probably come down to the better attorney or who has the most money for an attorney. If you hurt my family and your truck was over loaded, I am going to own your house.... So to speak. Most folks on this site aren't the ones causing accidents I would bet. Most aren't the dumb folks with heavy truck campers towing a trailer behind it with a half ton. The dumb guys that are running old tires with 50lbs in them when they should be aired up to 80 with a heavy load etc.
Sadly this battle will probably come down to the better attorney or who has the most money for an attorney. If you hurt my family and your truck was over loaded, I am going to own your house.... So to speak. Most folks on this site aren't the ones causing accidents I would bet. Most aren't the dumb folks with heavy truck campers towing a trailer behind it with a half ton. The dumb guys that are running old tires with 50lbs in them when they should be aired up to 80 with a heavy load etc.
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Fleet Mechanic
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From: Livingston Tx
Why take the chance or have to spend $ks on a lawyer to prove your over loaded truck wasn't the cause for the accident? Why not spend just a tiny bit more for the legal equipped truck?
Sadly this battle will probably come down to the better attorney or who has the most money for an attorney. If you hurt my family and your truck was over loaded, I am going to own your house.... So to speak. Most folks on this site aren't the ones causing accidents I would bet. Most aren't the dumb folks with heavy truck campers towing a trailer behind it with a half ton. The dumb guys that are running old tires with 50lbs in them when they should be aired up to 80 with a heavy load etc.
Sadly this battle will probably come down to the better attorney or who has the most money for an attorney. If you hurt my family and your truck was over loaded, I am going to own your house.... So to speak. Most folks on this site aren't the ones causing accidents I would bet. Most aren't the dumb folks with heavy truck campers towing a trailer behind it with a half ton. The dumb guys that are running old tires with 50lbs in them when they should be aired up to 80 with a heavy load etc.
Mountain Pass
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From: Manitoba, Canada
Owning a 350 in some locations is much more than the initial cost. What if you hurt my family and are not overloaded. Does that make it OK? It will never be ok if something like that happens. It"s horrible. It's an accident. Maybe I can still own your house because you were distracted. Or the black box in your truck tells me you were speeding. Or I find out you have illegal LED bulbs, or you installed a level kit and you didn't retorque the bolts, you installed new brake pads wrong or not at all............etc etc etc. My fifth wheel was sold as a 1300lb dry tongue weight. I have never weighed it. My trailer is also supposed to weigh 7000 or so empty. It is marketed as a lite. I don't know if my 2002 3/4 ton was over it's 8800 lb GVWR. I haven't hooked it to my 2019 yet. What I can tell you is that it looked and I feel I was alot safer than my friend in his Ram 1/2 ton with a similar sized trailer but not a 5th wheel.
More Turbo
Joined: Jun 2017
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Ignorance , but from these salesman who don't know anything and sell the wrong truck 90% of the time. Why ? Because they order some stupid configurations like a 250 diesel. Theses should be special order only. Not the norm on dealers lot.
Laughing Gas
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I wouldn't own any fifth wheel without an minimum F350 DRW. Just from a common sense standpoint. I've owned 2 F350 SRW and they were more truck than I needed and I'm sure they could handle a heavy fifth wheel travel trailer.
What if I had a rear tire blowout? Strong winds, emergency braking etc. A dual wheel set up just makes the most sense for the application.
You can purchase a F350/F450 DRW for not much difference than a F250 and have piece of mind and more relaxed towing experience.
Best wishes!
What if I had a rear tire blowout? Strong winds, emergency braking etc. A dual wheel set up just makes the most sense for the application.
You can purchase a F350/F450 DRW for not much difference than a F250 and have piece of mind and more relaxed towing experience.
Best wishes!
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People that are worried about "losing everything"? Would it not have to be proved that you caused the accident because you were over weight? And prove that if you were driving a F350 with a different sticker the accident would not have happened? If you use that line of thinking do you worry if you drive 1 km over the speed limit because you could lose everything? What about if there is some snow on you window? Or the window fogs up? What about if you lose a wheel and cause an accident and you are the one who can't prove you retorqued your wheel nuts? It is a slippery slope thinking that way. It's not a F150 or Ranger. It has already been proven it is the same truck with a different sticker. It is not more or less safe.
I understand that your saying you can’t worry about everything. You are correct, I’m just saying I don’t want that worry or potentially hurting someone bc my vehicle isn’t properly equipped no matter what my personal opinion if it’s capabilities are.
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From: Florida
If you are involved in an accident that hurts me or any family member while towing your trailer with an overloaded F-250 diesel, you can bet that I will sue you.
My attorney will produce the Ford Towing guide where it states in RED
“Make sure vehicle payload (reduce by option weight) will accommodate trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo added to towing vehicle. Addition of trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo must not cause vehicle weights to exceed rear GAWR or GVWR. These ratings can be found on the vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Label”
My attorney will also produce as evidence your door payload label on your F-250 where it states
“The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 2200 lbs.”
Tough to defend that. What do you think a jury or your insurance company would do to defend that? It will be considered as pure negligence on your part....
SORRY TO BE SO HARSH BUT SOMETIMES IT TAKES A SLAP IN THE FACE TO MAKE SOMEONE UNDERSTAND.
Anyone can sue for any reason. A few years ago my wife was sued for mortgage balance for her recently deceased sister's condo. The condo was worth lots less than mortgage balance and there were no funds in the estate. My wife was named in the foreclosure lawsuit only because unbeknownst to my wife, she was listed a one of the executors on my sister-in-laws will. It cost us over $3,000 is attorney fees to defend the lawsuit and keep our credit rating intact so it didn't show a foreclosure.
My attorney will produce the Ford Towing guide where it states in RED
“Make sure vehicle payload (reduce by option weight) will accommodate trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo added to towing vehicle. Addition of trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo must not cause vehicle weights to exceed rear GAWR or GVWR. These ratings can be found on the vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Label”
My attorney will also produce as evidence your door payload label on your F-250 where it states
“The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 2200 lbs.”
Tough to defend that. What do you think a jury or your insurance company would do to defend that? It will be considered as pure negligence on your part....
SORRY TO BE SO HARSH BUT SOMETIMES IT TAKES A SLAP IN THE FACE TO MAKE SOMEONE UNDERSTAND.
Anyone can sue for any reason. A few years ago my wife was sued for mortgage balance for her recently deceased sister's condo. The condo was worth lots less than mortgage balance and there were no funds in the estate. My wife was named in the foreclosure lawsuit only because unbeknownst to my wife, she was listed a one of the executors on my sister-in-laws will. It cost us over $3,000 is attorney fees to defend the lawsuit and keep our credit rating intact so it didn't show a foreclosure.
More Turbo
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If you are involved in an accident that hurts me or any family member while towing your trailer with an overloaded F-250 diesel, you can bet that I will sue you.
My attorney will produce the Ford Towing guide where it states in RED
“Make sure vehicle payload (reduce by option weight) will accommodate trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo added to towing vehicle. Addition of trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo must not cause vehicle weights to exceed rear GAWR or GVWR. These ratings can be found on the vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Label”
My attorney will also produce as evidence your door payload label on your F-250 where it states
“The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 2200 lbs.”
Tough to defend that. What do you think a jury or your insurance company would do to defend that?
My attorney will produce the Ford Towing guide where it states in RED
“Make sure vehicle payload (reduce by option weight) will accommodate trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo added to towing vehicle. Addition of trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo must not cause vehicle weights to exceed rear GAWR or GVWR. These ratings can be found on the vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Label”
My attorney will also produce as evidence your door payload label on your F-250 where it states
“The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 2200 lbs.”
Tough to defend that. What do you think a jury or your insurance company would do to defend that?