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Old Dec 26, 2019 | 05:27 PM
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Engine. 3.5 ecoboost

I spend most of my time in the 7.3 forum... buuuuuut my wifes 2016 3.5L eco boost went down black friday. Mechanic told be turbo went, and took the engine down with it.... that sucker is pricey... so mods, place as needed, but im looking to buy an engine and turbos, on the cheap side... or id sell the truck if someone was interested. Locally, (western oklahoma) im not getting much traction. Just a 10k repair quote, that im unwilling to even attempt to afford. Tia. Happy new year ya'll
 
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Do you have any details about what is broken? A turbo going bad shouldn't necessarily cause engine failure unless it was driven for a long time after the failure.

Also, consider getting a second opinion.

I'm not of much help for a new engine, sorry.
 
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Old Dec 26, 2019 | 05:52 PM
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Sounds like there’s more to this story and it also sounds like the OP has started to celebrate New Years early. Lol.
 
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Check with wrecking yards that sell late model engines. You will specifically need an engine from June 2015 through 2016. The early 2015s and down had some differences in the timing chain and guides. The 2017 and up is a completely different engine.

So did he explain the failure process? Was it tuned, unmaintained, low on oil/improper oil? And if the turbo went, why did it take the engine out? How many miles on the truck?
 
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Old Dec 26, 2019 | 07:13 PM
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A full 3.5 engine is actually very inexpensive. I just picked up a 15 engine with 23k on it for a swap project. Paid 2800.00 delivered from Renos Auto Parts on Ebay.
 
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Old Dec 26, 2019 | 08:59 PM
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Sounds like there’s more to this story and it also sounds like the OP has started to celebrate New Years early. Lol.
i will give more details at the bottom... as to new years, i switch from merry christmas, straight into new years, otherwise i feelnlile the 48 hrs people expect it Isnt enough.

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Check with wrecking yards that sell late model engines. You will specifically need an engine from June 2015 through 2016. The early 2015s and down had some differences in the timing chain and guides. The 2017 and up is a completely different engine.

So did he explain the failure process? Was it tuned, unmaintained, low on oil/improper oil? And if the turbo went, why did it take the engine out? How many miles on the truck?
Nothing explained beyond what i said, that he said. 105k miles.

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A full 3.5 engine is actually very inexpensive. I just picked up a 15 engine with 23k on it for a swap project. Paid 2800.00 delivered from Renos Auto Parts on Ebay.
i found one on ebay, about that cost. The one hes quotong me, is a crate feom ford, 6k for the engine, i think 1800 for turbos, and his labor, oil, coolant, sat me at 10k to fix a truck that i owe, what its worth. It went out over thanksgiving, i thought i kept hearing alternator whine. Realized even with radio off, it stayed. Wife thought it sounded like a vacuum line or pump... i didnt have any reason to think otherwise. Then it went silent. All good, right? Nope. Started having shifting issues, low power. Drove the 100 miles home, by the time we got there, it was very lethargic. Swapped to my 99 and kept on through the weekend with the family... went back to it on monday. Added oil, (2 qts) as it was unexpectedly low. Still bad shifting etc. Then, called the mechanic, decided to trailer it in. Started it to back off the trailer, and thats when it started puffing... almost as bad as my diesel, on a sub 40 degree day. When i forgot to plug it in....
 
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Originally Posted by kd5zll
i will give more details at the bottom... as to new years, i switch from merry christmas, straight into new years, otherwise i feelnlile the 48 hrs people expect it Isnt enough.



Nothing explained beyond what i said, that he said. 105k miles.



i found one on ebay, about that cost. The one hes quotong me, is a crate feom ford, 6k for the engine, i think 1800 for turbos, and his labor, oil, coolant, sat me at 10k to fix a truck that i owe, what its worth. It went out over thanksgiving, i thought i kept hearing alternator whine. Realized even with radio off, it stayed. Wife thought it sounded like a vacuum line or pump... i didnt have any reason to think otherwise. Then it went silent. All good, right? Nope. Started having shifting issues, low power. Drove the 100 miles home, by the time we got there, it was very lethargic. Swapped to my 99 and kept on through the weekend with the family... went back to it on monday. Added oil, (2 qts) as it was unexpectedly low. Still bad shifting etc. Then, called the mechanic, decided to trailer it in. Started it to back off the trailer, and thats when it started puffing... almost as bad as my diesel, on a sub 40 degree day. When i forgot to plug it in....
Seems like a bad diagnosis and just dumping parts at it, FYI the 6k dressed long block from Ford includes the turbos. The basic long block is 4100.00. Its still a better dealer buying a used low mile unit. The engine is probably fine, the intercooler is probably oil soaked from a bad turbo seal. This is also going to cause serious misfires.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 11:30 PM
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Would that mean changing the turbos alone might fix it?
 
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 11:33 PM
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Would that mean changing the turbos alone might fix it?
Would mean a competent technician would only replace the single offending turbo then diagnose the other collateral damage and fix that. I don't think it needs a whole entire engine.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2019 | 12:30 AM
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Hey GasHog, in case we forget to say it, there are many of us that appreciate you posting and sharing your expertise.

 
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Old Dec 28, 2019 | 12:49 AM
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Hey GasHog, in case we forget to say it, there are many of us that appreciate you posting and sharing your expertise.
Your most welcome, I can't stand when shops try to extort so much money out of people. They either don't know the process of failure or simply want to stab as many new parts at it as possibly just to plump there account. Even if the OP had a hard failure in the turbo the metal chunks would only have gone to the intercooler, nothing of size would have gone to the engine. So just replace the failed turbo and intercooler, clean the CAC pipes and replace the spark plugs. Should be good to go as long as there isn't a burned cat.

I am willing to bet the transmission shifting issues the OP had were from misfires caused jerking and random engine load imbalance causing the TC to lock and unlock. While rare I have done a few of these since 2012 and its almost always the drivers side turbo shaft seal that fails on the turbo. Common theme to the ones I have done is its always been a above 60k, the truck had signs of carbon buildup in the turbos and right before failure the drivers were in a high manifold vacuum situation. Such as coasting or grade braking using tow haul. If I was local I would give the OP a second opinion.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2019 | 03:08 AM
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I agree with gashog, this doesn't sound like the entire engine is toast. It would be very extreme for a turbo failure to cascade into complete engine failure.

If the mechanic isn't willing/cannot give you a detailed list of what's wrong, then you shouldn't be dealing with them anyway.
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​​​​​​If I were to bet, I'd guess that youve had a turbo failure, which may have affected some associated parts, like the intercointercooler.

I happen to have a perfectly good OEM intercooler on my shelf if you decide to go that route. Just let me know and cover shipping.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2019 | 07:29 AM
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He does note that he had to add 2 qts of oil.
 
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