Carbon in valve train
#46
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You say it’s ticking. When you had the valve covers off did you loosen the rocker arms bolts, remove any of the pushrods?
You say it’s ticking. When you had the valve covers off did you loosen the rocker arms bolts, remove any of the pushrods?
None of the rocker bolts or push rods were touched -- everything stayed in place just as it was aside from lifting the valve covers and putting new gaskets on. It certainly sounds like valve train tick, frequency picks up when revving and then comes back down as RPM falls. I'll see if I can update to post a short video when I get home this evening.
#47
I read where you cleaned the MAF. What did you used and how did you clean it? Also, did you check the air filter and filter box all the way to the outside opening? If the pre MAF intake is blocked any, or there are any post MAF air leaks, you will get very bad running and lots of times pinging. Either way, the MAF will get an incorrect reading.
#48
can you narrow down which side you hear tick, and use a piece of hose stuck to your ear and narrow down which cylinder it is, may have to remove that valve cover, and check if a rocker arm nut loosened up somehow, could put Marvels Mystery Oil in run for about 10 minutes, and change oil and filter, some crud could have clogged oil passage hole, when you was changing gaskets, some put Lucas Oil treatment in and it quieten noisy lifter/rocker arm
#49
#51
So I've taken a short video of the other item I've been chasing:
I've taken the truck out for some errands and drove for about an hour. The cleaned injectors do seem to have improved performance -- much more responsive when on throttle. Pinging is still present, but I haven't tried MMO or Seafoam or the like yet. Plan is to check timing today when I have a chance.
I do wonder, if mechanic had not taken the SPOUT off when they adjusted timing, could that be a cause of an issue?
AND a new curiosity ... for kicks I braked hard to see what the truck would do. Interestingly the motor started to die, RPMs dropped, swung back up, dropped, swung back up, dropped and then the truck died. It did this twice. Checked codes and got 121 and 212, which I already know about. New code 332 which is related to EGR, so that's a new one I'll have to figure out.
#52
I read where you cleaned the MAF. What did you used and how did you clean it? Also, did you check the air filter and filter box all the way to the outside opening? If the pre MAF intake is blocked any, or there are any post MAF air leaks, you will get very bad running and lots of times pinging. Either way, the MAF will get an incorrect reading.
#53
Is that just the needle bouncing or an idle surge? If it's an idle surge, does it happen all the time, or start a minute or so after cold start and smooth out as the engine is closer to being warm? If it is doing it after start then quits after warm up, good luck. I've chased that problem since 1991 with no resolution. I have tried many things and spent a lot of time on it. I finally just gave up and live with it.
#54
Is that just the needle bouncing or an idle surge? If it's an idle surge, does it happen all the time, or start a minute or so after cold start and smooth out as the engine is closer to being warm? If it is doing it after start then quits after warm up, good luck. I've chased that problem since 1991 with no resolution. I have tried many things and spent a lot of time on it. I finally just gave up and live with it.
#55
dfizzle2435 when you put new IAC, new TPS, did you check that the min/max volts on TPS wasnt off? when motor is warm, is idle still that high? quick way to check IAC with motor warm and running, is unplug IAC and see if motor tries to die
Fuel Injection Technical Library » Throttle Position Sensor (TPS)
How to Clean and Test your IAC - Ford Bronco Forum
Fuel Injection Technical Library » Throttle Position Sensor (TPS)
How to Clean and Test your IAC - Ford Bronco Forum
#56
I'm telling ya, drop in a bottle of Gum Out or another cleaner with PEA in it.. it will de carbon the insides and then run MMO in it. As i said my fave is RedLine SI-1 and then 3 to 4 oz of MMO per 10 gallons and it works like a dream. Check your TPC and IAC. especially check the gasket for the throttle body. 2 bucks and 4 bolts could fix the vacuum leak
#57
I'm telling ya, drop in a bottle of Gum Out or another cleaner with PEA in it.. it will de carbon the insides and then run MMO in it. As i said my fave is RedLine SI-1 and then 3 to 4 oz of MMO per 10 gallons and it works like a dream. Check your TPC and IAC. especially check the gasket for the throttle body. 2 bucks and 4 bolts could fix the vacuum leak
#58
Definitely will try the MMO and Redline. Throttle body and EGR have new gaskets on em. IAC and TPS are brand new Motorcraft, but I know I need to adjust TPS per the 121 code. Waiting on meter to come from Amazon. Appreciate the ideas and will keep digging! Haynes manual due in mailbox a week from today as well. Appreciate the ideas and will keep digging!
I put the whole bottle of Redline in one tank, and dosed the other tank with MMO and now a year later have been doing the MMO treatment fairly religiously. I buy it by the quart, a cpl quarts at a time and then portion it off into thos 5 hr energy drink bottles. Got a plastic coffee can full of them in the bed of the truck. The sweet spot for my truck is about 3 oz per 10 gallons. I don't use it for mileage increase, but it happened, picked up about 1.5 to 2 mpg after the rediline / MMO treatment. I swear by MMO..
#60
There is always the possibility the TPS is not engaged with the throttle arm that moves the TPS. I always tilt the top of the TPS away from the intake a bit as I place in onto the throttle body, then rotate back to where the screws will line up. If not paying attention, the throttle body arm can get in front of the TPS tang and the TPS will not move with the throttle.
I always drill out the mounting holes so I can set my TPS. My truck may be strange, but the best overall voltage at closed throttle for me is .92. It seems to have a little better road power around .98, but is much more prone to stall out at takeoff with my manual transmission.
I always drill out the mounting holes so I can set my TPS. My truck may be strange, but the best overall voltage at closed throttle for me is .92. It seems to have a little better road power around .98, but is much more prone to stall out at takeoff with my manual transmission.