2020 Specs Tow/Payload
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2020 Specs Tow/Payload
Well I have outgrown my F 350 SRW my business has grown like a weed and I need more carry than the F 350 gives me. Going back to a dually (should have never sold my '15 dually) and I am either going F 350 or F 450. Leaning toward the F 450, not only to I need to paylaod a lot, but a need to pull a trailer also, albeit that will be under 7000 but will have over 5000 in the bed of the truck.
Any thoughts or comments are welcome.
Looking for the tow/payload Superduty specs but cannot find? Guessing the specs will be upped over the '19 specs?????
Any thoughts or comments are welcome.
Looking for the tow/payload Superduty specs but cannot find? Guessing the specs will be upped over the '19 specs?????
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The 350 DRW has more payload than the 450 due to the 4's heavier underpinnings. If payload is that important, the 350 will do better. Since your tow weight is relatively low for this class of truck, you'll probably be more appreciative with the higher payload number.
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Anyhow, still gathering info, would rather stay with a 350 but payload and other things pushes me towards a 450...never owned one so listening to those that have.
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Thank you, we have been in business since 2011 and never in my wildest did I think it would grow like it has...it was only to be a fun thing in retirement (Iwhich it still is) but its done nothing but grow...
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I recommend you drive both around the dealer parking lot and park in a spot with cars on both sides. Turning radius alone will convince you on the 450.
The 350 does have a higher sticker payload by about 500#. That is because it is built 500# lighter than the 450. You say you need a truck capable of hauling heavy. While the 350 is a very capable truck, the 450 is simply built to haul more with additional margin to safety. I’m not knocking the 350 at all, it’s a great truck. I’m going on 2.5 years with my 17 450 and haul a 6,000lb truck camper and am sure if I had a 350 it would do just fine as well. If you start to “bench race” the trucks, consider this. Theoretically, load up the bed with say 15,000lbs of steel plates. Waaaay overloaded. Both over their “payload” sticker, the 450 by an additional 500#. Now drive them through the city into the mountains. Which truck would you rather be in? Which has a larger margin to safety and a larger margin to failure? Go with the strongest truck.
The 350 does have a higher sticker payload by about 500#. That is because it is built 500# lighter than the 450. You say you need a truck capable of hauling heavy. While the 350 is a very capable truck, the 450 is simply built to haul more with additional margin to safety. I’m not knocking the 350 at all, it’s a great truck. I’m going on 2.5 years with my 17 450 and haul a 6,000lb truck camper and am sure if I had a 350 it would do just fine as well. If you start to “bench race” the trucks, consider this. Theoretically, load up the bed with say 15,000lbs of steel plates. Waaaay overloaded. Both over their “payload” sticker, the 450 by an additional 500#. Now drive them through the city into the mountains. Which truck would you rather be in? Which has a larger margin to safety and a larger margin to failure? Go with the strongest truck.
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I recommend you drive both around the dealer parking lot and park in a spot with cars on both sides. Turning radius alone will convince you on the 450.
The 350 does have a higher sticker payload by about 500#. That is because it is built 500# lighter than the 450. You say you need a truck capable of hauling heavy. While the 350 is a very capable truck, the 450 is simply built to haul more with additional margin to safety. I’m not knocking the 350 at all, it’s a great truck. I’m going on 2.5 years with my 17 450 and haul a 6,000lb truck camper and am sure if I had a 350 it would do just fine as well. If you start to “bench race” the trucks, consider this. Theoretically, load up the bed with say 15,000lbs of steel plates. Waaaay overloaded. Both over their “payload” sticker, the 450 by an additional 500#. Now drive them through the city into the mountains. Which truck would you rather be in? Which has a larger margin to safety and a larger margin to failure? Go with the strongest truck.
The 350 does have a higher sticker payload by about 500#. That is because it is built 500# lighter than the 450. You say you need a truck capable of hauling heavy. While the 350 is a very capable truck, the 450 is simply built to haul more with additional margin to safety. I’m not knocking the 350 at all, it’s a great truck. I’m going on 2.5 years with my 17 450 and haul a 6,000lb truck camper and am sure if I had a 350 it would do just fine as well. If you start to “bench race” the trucks, consider this. Theoretically, load up the bed with say 15,000lbs of steel plates. Waaaay overloaded. Both over their “payload” sticker, the 450 by an additional 500#. Now drive them through the city into the mountains. Which truck would you rather be in? Which has a larger margin to safety and a larger margin to failure? Go with the strongest truck.
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In my searching, I came across some info from an interview with Ford. Summing it up Ford is a bit pizzed off and embarrassed that the King of trucks got outdistanced by Ram and with GMC/Chev on its heels on payload and towing. They said Ford expects to make a statement in 2020 with its Gen 3 engine and tow/payload specs to boot. I think they will, Ford wants to hang on to it 42-year streak and you can NOT do that if the competition is beating you like a rented mule...
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In my searching, I came across some info from an interview with Ford. Summing it up Ford is a bit pizzed off and embarrassed that the King of trucks got outdistanced by Ram and with GMC/Chev on its heels on payload and towing. They said Ford expects to make a statement in 2020 with its Gen 3 engine and tow/payload specs to boot. I think they will, Ford wants to hang on to it 42-year streak and you can NOT do that if the competition is beating you like a rented mule...
Sooner or later, the wars will stop. While I’m sure it exists, I have yet to know someone who ran out to buy a truck because it had class-leading torque or towing. It’s not like the variances between all brands is significant. At the ratings all three build now, it is asinine. As far as what we could tow 25 years ago with 350 lb/ft snd 235 hp, towing 30k with a one ton with 1000 lb/ft today is just stupid. When does it stop? It’s making weekend warriors think they can haul and tow more than they physically AND mentally can handle.
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Give me a break. Ram outdistanced Ford? Sales numbers prove otherwise. You’d be a good rag reporter with your writing. GM has done said a while ago they are done with fighting torque wars. Look at days of vehicles on the lots from all brands. GM and Dodge exceed Ford by far, and Ford offers crap for rebates and incentives. Why? Why would Ford bother when they are selling trucks without giving back cash. IF Ford thought they were remotely close to the whipped mule you cast, you’d see incentives moving their products to foster sales to keep them at the top. Not happening... even with a mild redesign lurking.
Sooner or later, the wars will stop. While I’m sure it exists, I have yet to know someone who ran out to buy a truck because it had class-leading torque or towing. It’s not like the variances between all brands is significant. At the ratings all three build now, it is asinine. As far as what we could tow 25 years ago with 350 lb/ft snd 235 hp, towing 30k with a one ton with 1000 lb/ft today is just stupid. When does it stop? It’s making weekend warriors think they can haul and tow more than they physically AND mentally can handle.
Sooner or later, the wars will stop. While I’m sure it exists, I have yet to know someone who ran out to buy a truck because it had class-leading torque or towing. It’s not like the variances between all brands is significant. At the ratings all three build now, it is asinine. As far as what we could tow 25 years ago with 350 lb/ft snd 235 hp, towing 30k with a one ton with 1000 lb/ft today is just stupid. When does it stop? It’s making weekend warriors think they can haul and tow more than they physically AND mentally can handle.
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Having driven both and towed with both, get the 450--just for the turning radius, but also the 19.5 tires--not going to have to worry much about tires for quite a while. 500# less payload?-- Pointless amount with the 450. I am towing a 20400# fiver with my '17 and about 4800 on the rear all the time--no sweat.
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In a nutshell here is why the F450 PICKUP has less payload (on paper) that the F350DRW.
Both are considered class 3 trucks, and that class tops out at 14,000lbs. Sence the f450 is heaverier it has less payload.
In my research the frame and springs and rear axle are the same between the 350DRW and the f450.
The 450 has larger drive axles, but the do not carry any weight.
According to the 19 Ford body builders guide, the 450 pickup, 450cc (cad&chassis) 550, amd 650 trucks all have the same size brakes, same rear axle and auto transmission.
The C&C trucks do get a retuned 6.7 diesel, but still the same basic engine.
The difference is in the springs and frames.
The C&C truck have a narrower open C channel frame for easy upfitting.
The pickups have a all tube steel frame.
From what I can tell the ammout of steel in the frames are about the same for the lighter C&C trucks with shorter wheel bases and the 450 pickup.
The rear springs on the C&C are for sure more robust. I dont think Ford is as worried about comfortable ride in their C&C trucks.
I have a 18 F450 pickup that Carrys a VERY heavy tripple slide camper and well over 14,000lbs GVW.
I am very confident that I have the most capible PICKUP made
Both are considered class 3 trucks, and that class tops out at 14,000lbs. Sence the f450 is heaverier it has less payload.
In my research the frame and springs and rear axle are the same between the 350DRW and the f450.
The 450 has larger drive axles, but the do not carry any weight.
According to the 19 Ford body builders guide, the 450 pickup, 450cc (cad&chassis) 550, amd 650 trucks all have the same size brakes, same rear axle and auto transmission.
The C&C trucks do get a retuned 6.7 diesel, but still the same basic engine.
The difference is in the springs and frames.
The C&C truck have a narrower open C channel frame for easy upfitting.
The pickups have a all tube steel frame.
From what I can tell the ammout of steel in the frames are about the same for the lighter C&C trucks with shorter wheel bases and the 450 pickup.
The rear springs on the C&C are for sure more robust. I dont think Ford is as worried about comfortable ride in their C&C trucks.
I have a 18 F450 pickup that Carrys a VERY heavy tripple slide camper and well over 14,000lbs GVW.
I am very confident that I have the most capible PICKUP made
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No doubt Ford wants to stay #1 in sales, but it’s nowhere near the result of being #1 in HP/Torque/Payload. It’s a lot more about quality, options, offerings, etc. Well see soon enough the wars stop, and quality and mpg take over. Where is a reasonable Torque cap? 2,000 pounds? It all comes out on the sticker, and people are rapidly getting fed up with $75k trucks just to brag. Don’t you agree?
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You posted about 42 years at #1. That has nothing to do with HP & Torque. It’s about SALES. It’s the #1selling truck 42 years in a row. Not the #1 payload / two rating / horsepower truck 42 years running.
No doubt Ford wants to stay #1 in sales, but it’s nowhere near the result of being #1 in HP/Torque/Payload. It’s a lot more about quality, options, offerings, etc. Well see soon enough the wars stop, and quality and mpg take over. Where is a reasonable Torque cap? 2,000 pounds? It all comes out on the sticker, and people are rapidly getting fed up with $75k trucks just to brag. Don’t you agree?
No doubt Ford wants to stay #1 in sales, but it’s nowhere near the result of being #1 in HP/Torque/Payload. It’s a lot more about quality, options, offerings, etc. Well see soon enough the wars stop, and quality and mpg take over. Where is a reasonable Torque cap? 2,000 pounds? It all comes out on the sticker, and people are rapidly getting fed up with $75k trucks just to brag. Don’t you agree?
I recently went trough the cost of the new truck compaired to 40 years ago.
If you look at adverage income, and minimum wage. A COMPARIBLE truck from late 70s is about the same money.
A Base XL truck now has more features than the adverage truck in the late 70s.
An XLT would have neen consider fully loaded with options in the 80s.
Both the XL and XLT are under $50k trucks.
Load up a king Ranch or Platinum and the price goes way up, but there are NO compatible trucks from the 80s or 90, and even 00s.
There are getting to be more and more high tech options that have never been avalible before.
You can get a nice truck for under $50k, but if you want all the latest stuff you WILL have to pay more.
Ford, and the other manufacturers are building trucks that meet a demand.
Lots of people want all the latest stuff and the most comfortable and safe vehicle.
I totally remember thinking trucks where crazy priced at $10k, then $20k, then$30k, 40, 50, 60, ......
The prices will stop going up when people stop buying them.