Looking to buy my 1st ford
#16
I don’t think it’s likely that gen 2’s made it into 2014 vehicles.
All I can say for sure is that the gen 1’s produced 400hp in 2014 and in 2015 the gen 2’s produced 440 hp.
there is a pretty long list of improvements in the gen 2, more metal in the upper engine (correction for cracking manifolds ), more fillets in the crank ( correction for the crank splitting problem) , bearing surfaces coated ( correction for spinning bearings).
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All I can say for sure is that the gen 1’s produced 400hp in 2014 and in 2015 the gen 2’s produced 440 hp.
there is a pretty long list of improvements in the gen 2, more metal in the upper engine (correction for cracking manifolds ), more fillets in the crank ( correction for the crank splitting problem) , bearing surfaces coated ( correction for spinning bearings).
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#18
For checking the water open the drain on the lower filter into s clean container and look for any water.
a small ammount doesnt mean it's a problem, but you have to wonder when was the last time it was drained? How much water that time?
The best is to see no water at all.
large amounts of water, or rust or brown fluids are a sign that you might have a problem soon.
a small ammount doesnt mean it's a problem, but you have to wonder when was the last time it was drained? How much water that time?
The best is to see no water at all.
large amounts of water, or rust or brown fluids are a sign that you might have a problem soon.
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The issue is getting a bad batch of fuel. That's why I run a additive that everyone tells me not to, but I digress. Everyone here says run quality fuel, buy at high turn over places, etc. But how do you really know you're getting quality fuel without looking at the fuel inside the tank or testing it? Chances are you probably won't get a bad batch but tell that to the guys who got denied coverage by Ford. That could have been anyone of us. All these modern high pressure common rail fuel systems are susceptible to bad fuel. I saw a video on the fuel water separators from Cummins Filtration and it blows Ford's DCFM lift pump out of the water. That's what our trucks need. I'm all about overkill and being proactive. I'd rather have and not need than need and not have. You know, like a Jimmy or a gun.
I'm sure there is better fuel in places than where I'm at, New York. But the ability of our fuel to absorb or attract water is strengthened by the very process of refining sulfur out of the fuel. Just like modern gasoline which is a 30 day fuel, modern day diesel is a 90 day fuel.
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I'm sure there is better fuel in places than where I'm at, New York. But the ability of our fuel to absorb or attract water is strengthened by the very process of refining sulfur out of the fuel. Just like modern gasoline which is a 30 day fuel, modern day diesel is a 90 day fuel.
I think you may also have to switch from normal duty maint eve schedule to severe duty. Being in nyc where you drive 1 block, idle 3 minutes at a red light, then drive anoth block, cycle repeats ,I think due to excessive idling I’m at severe duty anyway.
Lab studies have shown that b5 provides more lube value than any diesel additive.
some stations sell b5. A few stations on the Nj turnpike have a label on thier pimps indicating b5.
i buy 12 five gallon containers of b30 at a time. I use 2 of them at each fill up. 10 gallons of b30 plus 38 gallons of b zero puts me at about b7. It’s amazing how much quieter the high pressure fuel pump sounds once it gets decent lube.
#23
While I know there's been some failures on the 6.7s with the CP4.2, I don't know that I would put all the blame on the pump and not any on the crap we call fuel, ULSD. I'm in no way standing up for Bosch or defending Ford sticking it to people who have had HPFP failures, I think the main reason is the diesel fuel in the U.S. could be better. You're talking high pressure, less fuel flow than the CP3 and a fuel that has less lubricity than past diesel fuel. The tolerances are tighter inside the pump and they expect miracles out of us using modern day diesel fuel. While I do think it's a possibly to have this happen and I think of it myself, it's not a trending issue.
The issue is getting a bad batch of fuel. That's why I run a additive that everyone tells me not to, but I digress. Everyone here says run quality fuel, buy at high turn over places, etc. But how do you really know you're getting quality fuel without looking at the fuel inside the tank or testing it? Chances are you probably won't get a bad batch but tell that to the guys who got denied coverage by Ford. That could have been anyone of us. All these modern high pressure common rail fuel systems are susceptible to bad fuel. I saw a video on the fuel water separators from Cummins Filtration and it blows Ford's DCFM lift pump out of the water. That's what our trucks need. I'm all about overkill and being proactive. I'd rather have and not need than need and not have. You know, like a Jimmy or a gun.
I'm sure there is better fuel in places than where I'm at, New York. But the ability of our fuel to absorb or attract water is strengthened by the very process of refining sulfur out of the fuel. Just like modern gasoline which is a 30 day fuel, modern day diesel is a 90 day fuel.
The issue is getting a bad batch of fuel. That's why I run a additive that everyone tells me not to, but I digress. Everyone here says run quality fuel, buy at high turn over places, etc. But how do you really know you're getting quality fuel without looking at the fuel inside the tank or testing it? Chances are you probably won't get a bad batch but tell that to the guys who got denied coverage by Ford. That could have been anyone of us. All these modern high pressure common rail fuel systems are susceptible to bad fuel. I saw a video on the fuel water separators from Cummins Filtration and it blows Ford's DCFM lift pump out of the water. That's what our trucks need. I'm all about overkill and being proactive. I'd rather have and not need than need and not have. You know, like a Jimmy or a gun.
I'm sure there is better fuel in places than where I'm at, New York. But the ability of our fuel to absorb or attract water is strengthened by the very process of refining sulfur out of the fuel. Just like modern gasoline which is a 30 day fuel, modern day diesel is a 90 day fuel.
#24
I have been across the country 3 times with my 5th wheel and bought fuel from all over the place and never got a bad tank of fuel. Bio diesel sucks. You get poor fuel millage with that crap. You guys are so worried about fuel when you have no problem removing the DEF system and egr. But fuel is a concern? People spend all this money on a diesel than worry about everything. Leaving the truck stock except tires and wheels maybe a lift to make it cool but not useless to use is ok. It mostly takes the worry out of owning the truck. If you delete the truck the dealer will not warranty the truck. Even a extended warranty is void. They may sell you one but good luck getting any warranty repairs. I make it a rule never buy something modified by someone else. You never know what they really did.
OP I would not buy this truck even though all the parts appear to be there.
OP I would not buy this truck even though all the parts appear to be there.
#25
Speakerfritz, I have never seen B5 for sale around my area unless I just haven't run into them at all. Yes, I have heard of the benefits of running some B5 for lubrication. Thanks for the tips.
I also have plans to install a FASS lift pump to feed the DFCM lift pump to "shine" the fuel; to remove the air from the fuel to help longevity with the pump and injectors. I been in contact with them and found out that there is a bypass built in to the pump in case their pump went down. Then the OEM DFCM lift pump can keep flowing fuel to the HPFP. Apparently pickup owners get an average of 2 to 3 mpg with their use. Hell, 1 mpg gain would be great.
I also have plans to install a FASS lift pump to feed the DFCM lift pump to "shine" the fuel; to remove the air from the fuel to help longevity with the pump and injectors. I been in contact with them and found out that there is a bypass built in to the pump in case their pump went down. Then the OEM DFCM lift pump can keep flowing fuel to the HPFP. Apparently pickup owners get an average of 2 to 3 mpg with their use. Hell, 1 mpg gain would be great.
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https://fueloilnews.com/2010/03/04/t...-of-lubricity/
Last edited by Overkill2; 03-19-2019 at 08:34 AM. Reason: Add to post
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I have been across the country 3 times with my 5th wheel and bought fuel from all over the place and never got a bad tank of fuel. Bio diesel sucks. You get poor fuel millage with that crap. You guys are so worried about fuel when you have no problem removing the DEF system and egr. But fuel is a concern? People spend all this money on a diesel than worry about everything. Leaving the truck stock except tires and wheels maybe a lift to make it cool but not useless to use is ok. It mostly takes the worry out of owning the truck. .
Yes, running a higher grade or percentage biodiesel, you don't get the mileage of regular diesel. But adding a little like B5 will aid in improving lubrication in our ULSD. It is used to increase the lube value that traditional diesel had. They have to add lube additives before selling the fuel because the process of removing sulfur removes the lubrication out of the fuel. I'm glad you're so carefree in your attitude on fuel. That's a personal decision. One question for you though, do you ever drain the DFCM to check for water and if so, at what frequency?
About deleting, it's another personal decision. I'd rather run stock but if problems arise, it is a high likelihood that I will. If emissions lasted, had no problems, and the cost of maintenance of it wasn't so high, I'd have no problem staying stock. I have no problem staying stock now because I have no problems. When I say that deleted 6.7s run really well, I'm not saying stock ones don't. I would not delete to become part of the crowd, I would delete to prevent spending thousands on parts that will eventually fail again. I would delete to hopefully gain a little mileage. I would delete to increase the reliability of my engine as this truck is a very long term vehicle for me. I would delete with a 0 hp or modest tow tune with no smoke. That is why I would delete.
Spending a lot of money on a truck where the factory replacement kit for 15 to 16s fuel system is 5k and labor not included, when pumps have failed because of fuel related issues have happened, makes fuel a concern and makes it a concern in general because we all spent a lot of money on our diesel engine option. Just my 2 cents.
I'm 52 so being part of the cool crew is not an option or concern for me. I'm already cool driving a Super Duty with the Scorpion. I do have plans though for a set of Black Rhino wheels and stock size or 18s tires for the summer. But I'd rather spend money on something that will make the engine and parts last longer like a FASS lift pump. But that's just me. There's enough jacked up trucks with offset wheels rolling around my area. That's the beauty of being able to do what you want to your truck and to come here to offer your own personal taste to the melting pot of different tastes. Peace.
Last edited by Overkill2; 03-19-2019 at 10:43 AM. Reason: add to post
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Speakerfritz, I have never seen B5 for sale around my area unless I just haven't run into them at all. Yes, I have heard of the benefits of running some B5 for lubrication. Thanks for the tips.
I also have plans to install a FASS lift pump to feed the DFCM lift pump to "shine" the fuel; to remove the air from the fuel to help longevity with the pump and injectors. I been in contact with them and found out that there is a bypass built in to the pump in case their pump went down. Then the OEM DFCM lift pump can keep flowing fuel to the HPFP. Apparently pickup owners get an average of 2 to 3 mpg with their use. Hell, 1 mpg gain would be great.
I also have plans to install a FASS lift pump to feed the DFCM lift pump to "shine" the fuel; to remove the air from the fuel to help longevity with the pump and injectors. I been in contact with them and found out that there is a bypass built in to the pump in case their pump went down. Then the OEM DFCM lift pump can keep flowing fuel to the HPFP. Apparently pickup owners get an average of 2 to 3 mpg with their use. Hell, 1 mpg gain would be great.
so in Nj the Sunoco station in the middle of the njtp have a 5% bio sticker.
i buy b30 in bulk at a place called Woollys in north jersey. I mix 10 gallons of 30 to 38 gallons of b zero and get a little over b5 out of it.
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Pumps with 5% or less bio aren't required to be labeled. Many states require a certain percentage of bio to be added to all diesel, so you almost certainly have been using it. labels
More about labelling Here:
https://www.natso.com/blog/truckstop...nts-unraveled-
https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/biodie...location=14218