Confused about payload
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From: Mts. S. of San Francisco
Yah. Just went to the configurator, and found that Lariat-anything disallows HDPP. Even adding the 302A package turns off HDPP. So you gots your choice; HDPP and simple truck, or fancier truck with no HDPP. Next choice is to go with the F250.
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The frame section on a HPP 156.8 is 6.28 cu inches vs a 145wb truck is 4.95. The standard frame is .087 while the HPP 156.8 frame is .11. The HPP frame is 28% heavier than a standard frame and the center frame is 9inch high rails compared to 7 inch on the standard. While they are not mirror image weights they are not far apart either. The biggest weight difference is the 18 is a STX and the 14 was a lariat with sunroof.
My 2014 F150 156.8wb max tow package had a 7350 GVWR and a factory payload of 2060 lbs - Cat scales showed near accurate at 5,360 lbs base curb weight.
My 2018 156.8wb max tow with HPP has a 7050 GVWR and a factory payload of 1893 lbs - Cat scales showed right around 5,218
My 2014 F150 156.8wb max tow package had a 7350 GVWR and a factory payload of 2060 lbs - Cat scales showed near accurate at 5,360 lbs base curb weight.
My 2018 156.8wb max tow with HPP has a 7050 GVWR and a factory payload of 1893 lbs - Cat scales showed right around 5,218
More Turbo
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From: Groton, MA
Did they eliminate the HD frame on the 145wb trucks? I have the HD frame on my'15 XLT which is 0.100 thick with a section of 5.73. This is the same as the non-HPP 156wb. What is described in ford390gashog's post was the LD frame in 2015
My '15 XLT has the 301a package, 36gal tank, trailer package (not max tow) and chrome package with running boards. My GVW is 7050 and payload is 2059.
My '15 XLT has the 301a package, 36gal tank, trailer package (not max tow) and chrome package with running boards. My GVW is 7050 and payload is 2059.
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Good info but you are not comparing apples to apples and still are not the same weight. Comparing exact models (trim) would change the difference in weight even more. The 13 gen is absolutely lighter than the previous gen by several hundred lbs. when compared to same specs.
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Did they eliminate the HD frame on the 145wb trucks? I have the HD frame on my'15 XLT which is 0.100 thick with a section of 5.73. This is the same as the non-HPP 156wb. What is described in ford390gashog's post was the LD frame in 2015
My '15 XLT has the 301a package, 36gal tank, trailer package (not max tow) and chrome package with running boards. My GVW is 7050 and payload is 2059.
My '15 XLT has the 301a package, 36gal tank, trailer package (not max tow) and chrome package with running boards. My GVW is 7050 and payload is 2059.
5th Wheeling
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I couldn't find any Max Tow trucks near me. I ordered one. Arrived in just under 6 weeks from date of order.
2019 F150 XLT 4X4 3.5 ecoboost, crew cab, 6.5 bed, tow mirrors. 302a package. Frame is only the HD type. 7050 gvwr.
2019 F150 XLT 4X4 3.5 ecoboost, crew cab, 6.5 bed, tow mirrors. 302a package. Frame is only the HD type. 7050 gvwr.
Last edited by GLC; Mar 2, 2019 at 12:35 PM. Reason: detail
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That sucks. You used to be able to get HDPP with the "base" Lariat (500A package). When I'm dreaming about my next truck, that's the exact configuration I would have preferred.
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You can't compare a Lariat to an STX when comparing weight. As you know they're optioned differently, not going to be the same.
My only point is this, the exact same truck from '14 to '15 is absolutely lighter in weight which has indeed improved the payload.
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From: Brentwood,CA
So if you say a 2014 vs a 2015 is a big difference in weight why doesn't that apply to a 2014 vs a 2018? There is nothing magical and a 18 is no different than a 15. Payloads didn't change on most trucks either as you know. Ford adopted a new 6400/6600/6850 base GVWR and ditched the standard 7250/7350 GVWR. By doing so you payload is nearly identical to the previous trucks.
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So if you say a 2014 vs a 2015 is a big difference in weight why doesn't that apply to a 2014 vs a 2018? There is nothing magical and a 18 is no different than a 15. Payloads didn't change on most trucks either as you know. Ford adopted a new 6400/6600/6850 base GVWR and ditched the standard 7250/7350 GVWR. By doing so you payload is nearly identical to the previous trucks.
Apples to Apples, on exact specked trucks - Payload increased from gen 12 to gen 13. Period.
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Ok, so after looking a bit, it seems clear the HDP package is not really possible considering we're wanting too many features.
That said, the GVWR on my trailer is 7800 lbs, so I think I'm still ok with the F150 even if my payload is around 1600.
I looked at one truck yesterday that seemed perfect, until I realized the axle ratio is 3.31. Am I correct in deciding to skip that truck? It had a payload of about 1650. I'm looking at another very similar truck with a 3.55 rear axle, but the payload on that one is 1503. Is it safe to assume that they payloads are essentially the same and I should go with the better axle ratio?
I really wish there was some sort of car search tool out there that let me be super specific, down to the actual ford features/packages etc! I'm starting to actually consider just building a new one!
That said, the GVWR on my trailer is 7800 lbs, so I think I'm still ok with the F150 even if my payload is around 1600.
I looked at one truck yesterday that seemed perfect, until I realized the axle ratio is 3.31. Am I correct in deciding to skip that truck? It had a payload of about 1650. I'm looking at another very similar truck with a 3.55 rear axle, but the payload on that one is 1503. Is it safe to assume that they payloads are essentially the same and I should go with the better axle ratio?
I really wish there was some sort of car search tool out there that let me be super specific, down to the actual ford features/packages etc! I'm starting to actually consider just building a new one!
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I don’t think the axle ratio is as important today as it was in the past. Today, with the 10-speed transmission and tow/haul mode....axle ratio will only be a practical consideration in the sense that it will change due to the specific packages you choose (like max tow).
I wouldnt dicount a truck for your use because of the axle ratio. It’s so easy to lock out gears and first gear is low enough no matter which ratio the truck has in the axle.
I wouldnt dicount a truck for your use because of the axle ratio. It’s so easy to lock out gears and first gear is low enough no matter which ratio the truck has in the axle.
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You have given no basis or stats other than your own feelings. Besides if you really believe payload increased post up some payload stickers ( Post up your own payload sticker if it's that high of a payload over the previous generation). There is a reason why I had to go with the STX and not a Lariat that I ordered. So I do know a direct comparison. The 2018 Lariat 502a package that was ordered with 156.8 and max tow, 20" wheels and HPP frame (to replace the same optioned truck minus the camel interior) was delivered to my dealer in May of 2018. The truck came in with a 7050 GVWR but had a 1693lb payload ( the 2014 had a 2060lb). So apples to apples right?
When Ford dropped the GVWR from 7350 to 7050 it really hurt the rating. Had it been the same I could have had a nearly identical payload. Plenty of threads here about payload and just how low the payload really is compared to the previous trucks. While the trucks did get lighter in some areas Ford also found it prudent to lower the GVWR across the board which negated the lower curb weight.
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The standard tongue weight of a cargo or travel trailer is 13%. 13% of 7,800lbs is 1,014. Boats are lighter, around 8% IIRC.
With a payload of 1,600lbs, you've got 586lbs for passengers, cargo, gear, bed covers, ball/bar combos, etc. That's not a lot of wiggle room.
For reference, I have a 2015 Lariat 502A Screw/5.5' bed, Max Tow, with a payload of 1,575lbs. Towing capacity is 11,500lbs. My family and stuff that's always in the truck weighs in at around 700lbs, which leaves me only 875lbs of payload for tongue weight, which would mean I can only tow my motorcycle trailer (7,000lb gvwr, 2,280lb empty) with 4,450lbs in it, for a total weight of 6,730lbs. I don't own a WDH, so I wouldn't go past 5,000lbs total weight for the trailer anyway.
Hopefully this illustrates for you the realistic limitations of an F-150 (or any other half-ton body-on-frame vehicle) when bumper pulling a trailer. I really only will tow my trailer with 1 or 2 bikes in it and some tools and other odds and ends, so my trailer weight should never exceed 4,500lbs.
-John
With a payload of 1,600lbs, you've got 586lbs for passengers, cargo, gear, bed covers, ball/bar combos, etc. That's not a lot of wiggle room.
For reference, I have a 2015 Lariat 502A Screw/5.5' bed, Max Tow, with a payload of 1,575lbs. Towing capacity is 11,500lbs. My family and stuff that's always in the truck weighs in at around 700lbs, which leaves me only 875lbs of payload for tongue weight, which would mean I can only tow my motorcycle trailer (7,000lb gvwr, 2,280lb empty) with 4,450lbs in it, for a total weight of 6,730lbs. I don't own a WDH, so I wouldn't go past 5,000lbs total weight for the trailer anyway.
Hopefully this illustrates for you the realistic limitations of an F-150 (or any other half-ton body-on-frame vehicle) when bumper pulling a trailer. I really only will tow my trailer with 1 or 2 bikes in it and some tools and other odds and ends, so my trailer weight should never exceed 4,500lbs.
-John