2006 Ford Expedition-HELP-PLEASE!!!???
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I finally got myself a Coder & I was shocked @ how many codes came up considering that before these issues came up, it ran wonderfully. It does seem like several of these codes are for similar issues, so they all may be leading to the same problem. One other issue that it has is that it will not go past 25mph ( like it won't change gears) until I press the O/D Off Button & then it runs perfectly, so one of these may be about that. I looked up the codes but I'm still not sure what they all mean. Anyway, here are the list of codes:
1)-P0300
2)-P0302
3)-P0304
4)-P0345
5)-P0022
*Please let me know what you think
1)-P0300
2)-P0302
3)-P0304
4)-P0345
5)-P0022
*Please let me know what you think
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1)-P0300: Random Misfire Detected
2)-P0302: Cylinder 2 Misfire Detected
3)-P0304: Cylinder 2 Misfire Detected
4)-P0345: Camshaft Position Sensor Circuit Malfunction Bank 2 (Bank 2 = driver side)
5)-P0022: "A" Camshaft Position - Timing Over-Retarded (Bank 2)
Everything points to the camshaft phaser for the driver side may be bad and/or the timing chain has jumped a tooth. Do you hear a knocking noise when the engine is idling as well? Another common symptom of a bad phaser.
2)-P0302: Cylinder 2 Misfire Detected
3)-P0304: Cylinder 2 Misfire Detected
4)-P0345: Camshaft Position Sensor Circuit Malfunction Bank 2 (Bank 2 = driver side)
5)-P0022: "A" Camshaft Position - Timing Over-Retarded (Bank 2)
Everything points to the camshaft phaser for the driver side may be bad and/or the timing chain has jumped a tooth. Do you hear a knocking noise when the engine is idling as well? Another common symptom of a bad phaser.
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Yeah, what rla2005 said above ^^^^^^
. . . and the misfire on cylinder 2 is interesting. Maybe the #2 coil is going out? you could swap coils between cylinder 1 and 2 and see if the misfire follows. While you're swapping, look down into the holes to see if there is any oil or water (or anything besides air and a little dust) built up in there. It might need spark plugs also.
. . . and the misfire on cylinder 2 is interesting. Maybe the #2 coil is going out? you could swap coils between cylinder 1 and 2 and see if the misfire follows. While you're swapping, look down into the holes to see if there is any oil or water (or anything besides air and a little dust) built up in there. It might need spark plugs also.
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My personal opinion is the larger issue may be causing the misfire codes. Once a camshaft slips a tooth (or two) all kinds of bad things happen. Start with the bigger issue before spending money on plugs, coils, boots, etc. None of those will cause camshaft position errors.
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My personal opinion is the larger issue may be causing the misfire codes. Once a camshaft slips a tooth (or two) all kinds of bad things happen. Start with the bigger issue before spending money on plugs, coils, boots, etc. None of those will cause camshaft position errors.
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I wouldn't say a Knocking noise but a Faint Tick when it is Idling but it was doing that before any of the other issues started--back when it was running wonderfully. It still runs smoothly on most days, it's just the symptoms that appear on & off -I just try not to drive it unless I have to--I had to drive it about 40 miles away this past Sunday to the guy who is changing out the Spark Plugs & Coils & it ran wonderfully-no problems. When he took the 1st spark plug out it was burned up & broken (the broken part probably came from the "mechanic" that had it for a week & then suddenly said he doesn't work on Ford's-even though it was a Ford when we brought it in).
Thank you for your advice!
Thank you for your advice!
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I took it to a guy Sunday that is changing out the Spark Plugs & the Coils. The first spark plug he took out was burned & broken (the broken part probably came from the "mechanic" that had it for a wk & then suddenly said he doesn't work on Ford's-even though it was a Ford when we brought it in).
Thank You for your advice!!!
Thank You for your advice!!!
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When a phaser is bad there is typically a rather loud ticking/clicking noise. A small amount of ticking is not uncommon on these 3V engines. Given the codes and symptoms of low power I would lean towards a tensioner problem which allowed the timing chain to jump a tooth on the camshaft phaser.
At 180k on the odometer the phasers, chains and tensioners are due for a replacement. Actually surprised they made it this far. My old 2005 Navigator started having phaser issues at ~120k. I actually bought it with a known bad phaser. Since I was doing a flip I only changed the one side. It ran very well up to the day I traded it for my current 2006 Navigator.
At 180k on the odometer the phasers, chains and tensioners are due for a replacement. Actually surprised they made it this far. My old 2005 Navigator started having phaser issues at ~120k. I actually bought it with a known bad phaser. Since I was doing a flip I only changed the one side. It ran very well up to the day I traded it for my current 2006 Navigator.
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I finally got my 2006 Expedition back from the last guy that was working on it--the one who found all of the codes on it. He got rid of all of the codes except for one. So now we have changed out the EGR/Purge Valve, all of the Spark Plugs, All of the Coils, the Oxygen Sensor & one more Sensor-I think the Cam Phaser Sensor maybe & changed the Oil & it is running the same & has (1) Expensive Code Left on it...the Camshaft Phaser. The guy working on it was a family member & he was happy to do the other work but he just doesn't have the time to do the bigger project but he did tell me to make sure that I do NOT buy an "after market" Camshaft Phaser-to make sure to buy the Ford one b/c the other ones go out in like 6 mths & then I'll have to do it all over again-That's not worth it-even for half the price. I am a single woman who cannot afford to take it to a dealer to get fixed...Does anyone know of a reasonable mechanic in the South Carolina area? And also where I can get a good, inexpensive FORD Camshaft Phaser? Any help would be Greatly Appreciated.
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You were RIGHT...after he changed out all of the smaller issues & cleared all of the codes except for (1)-it is running the same, so he said it must be the Camshaft Phaser. He is a family member & just doesn't have the time for this bigger project. Unfortunately, now I have to find a good price on the part & find someone who won't charge me an arm & a leg and try to take advantage of me b/c I am a single woman.
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You are at a point you have to decide how much money you want to put into this vehicle. You know you have a bad phaser based on the code(s) and how the engine runs.You could try replacing just the phaser, it's not too bad of a job if you have the right tools and experience. But at 180K miles you can bet there are more worn timing components, chains, tensioners, etc. If you plan to keep the vehicle I suggest to replace all of those parts at the same time. The plastic tensioners are known to wear then send little pieces parts into the oil pan. That can lead to blocking the pump which means no/low oil pressure.
In my opinion this is not necessarily a design flaw, it's normal maintenance items that are inherent in the design. Fix it one piece at a time, and pay the resulting extra labor, or replace the parts that are known to be worn and could cause bigger issues. It's not an easy decision when you do not have an unlimited budget like most of us.
When I replaced the cam phaser on my old '05 Navigator I got the OEM version from Freedom Racing. They have a lot of options for OEM and good quality (not Dorman) aftermarket timing parts/kits:
Expedition - 2006 - Ford Parts
In my opinion this is not necessarily a design flaw, it's normal maintenance items that are inherent in the design. Fix it one piece at a time, and pay the resulting extra labor, or replace the parts that are known to be worn and could cause bigger issues. It's not an easy decision when you do not have an unlimited budget like most of us.
When I replaced the cam phaser on my old '05 Navigator I got the OEM version from Freedom Racing. They have a lot of options for OEM and good quality (not Dorman) aftermarket timing parts/kits:
Expedition - 2006 - Ford Parts
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Thank You--that was very helpful, You are right about the unlimited funds b/c we are in the process of buying a house & this has already put a dent in our down payment but I haven't had a car payment in 18 years & now is really not the time to get one. I'm so glad you said OEM & not Dorman b/c THAT is where I was getting stumped-I didn't know which was a good part & which was the "after market" part. I also have to keep in mind that I did only pay $1200 for it 3 mths ago, so I will pretty much have equal $$ in the parts and the sale price.
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