7.3L kill resale value of 6.2L
#108
02-07-2019, 09:03 PM
Please, do tell what crystal ball you have. I want one.
We travelled several times from N. Illinois to Gatlinburg with my wife’s V-10 Excursion. Loaded with our crap and cruise set. Three times, we pulled between 16 and 16.3mpg. Now, winter sucked at 10mpg, but interstate was not unrealistic at 15. If that old technology with a 4-speed could do it, I see no issues the 7.3L getting 17mpg with s more efficient 10-speed when the 6.2L can pull 15 or more with a 3.73 rear.
#109
02-07-2019, 09:18 PM
at 55-65, unloaded, flat, no head wind i think it can prolly get 20 mpg
i wonder what the mpg of a 6.2l would be with a 10 speed?
recently there was an article somewhere where a 4 banger got worse mileage than a v8 in a silverado
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/01/...al-world-test/
i wonder what the mpg of a 6.2l would be with a 10 speed?
recently there was an article somewhere where a 4 banger got worse mileage than a v8 in a silverado
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/01/...al-world-test/
#110
02-07-2019, 09:51 PM
But as I stated above there is definately a market for a good gas HD engine for those that don’t tow all the time and don’t want the complexity and cost of a new diesel. I currently own a LML duramax but would consider a new gas HD in the future as I tow heavy, but infrequently. I’ve had one issue with DEF on the LML that thankfully was covered by warranty but not sure want to keep a newer diesel around past 100K. Some repairs (like a failed CP4) can be astronomical.
#111
02-07-2019, 10:03 PM
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So you think that Ford would actually venture out to build a gas guzzler to get worse mileage than the 6.2L just to have big horsepower in a gas platform? Where would that get them? It’s not like the 6.2L is a pig with three wooden legs and can’t pull a sinner out of church. Ford is looking at a game changer in my book. I’m sure their idea to build the 7.3L includes better mpg than the 6.2L. Not 1 mpg, but several. Not everyone gets a solid 14mpg with their 6.2L, but even if everyone did, a 13% increase to 15.8mpg seems real plausible with the 10 speed. The addition of the 10 speed pushed actual gains across the board for the F150, not losses. Yes, the 7.3L is larger, but with the 10 speed it should work smarter, not harder.
#112
02-08-2019, 05:10 AM
Hmmmm. Puff, puff, puff. Yeeaaah.
So you think that Ford would actually venture out to build a gas guzzler to get worse mileage than the 6.2L just to have big horsepower in a gas platform? Where would that get them? It’s not like the 6.2L is a pig with three wooden legs and can’t pull a sinner out of church. Ford is looking at a game changer in my book. I’m sure their idea to build the 7.3L includes better mpg than the 6.2L. Not 1 mpg, but several. Not everyone gets a solid 14mpg with their 6.2L, but even if everyone did, a 13% increase to 15.8mpg seems real plausible with the 10 speed. The addition of the 10 speed pushed actual gains across the board for the F150, not losses. Yes, the 7.3L is larger, but with the 10 speed it should work smarter, not harder.
#113
02-08-2019, 05:36 AM
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02-08-2019, 06:51 AM
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#115
02-08-2019, 07:03 AM
It'll be 10 years since Ford offered 3 engines in the Super Duty truck line up. The only time you'll get good mileage gas or diesel is if you are going longer distances without stopping and your locked in at 60 to 65mph or even 55mph. You lose mileage really anything above 65, doesn't matter if it's new or old I've done it with both it drops off fast. Your short trips in town are what will kill your fuel economy.
I think this new engine will be a great addition, especially for U-haul trucks (still using the V10) as a replacement engine for them. I don't think this engine is a true big block, seems like a small block far as bore spacing goes. You had large displacement engines back in the 60s and 70s that were small block in design.
I still work at a Dodge dealership, but I'm Ford biased. The 6.4L Hemi engine is decent in the heavy duty trucks. Unless you are constantly towing or hauling, the gas engine is more than capable. Ambulance fleets have moved to mostly gas fleets because of the unreliability of the older diesels that potentially caused people to die en-route to the hospital, because of engine failure. I still see newer diesel ambulances, but rarely.
The main issue with the Hemi engines we see a lot are, broken exhaust manifold bolts and valve train ticking.
I'm not at all surprised that Ford went with an overhead valve design. Overhead valve engines tend to make torque at the bottom end of the RPM band, where as overhead cam (single and dual) makes it mid to high range. Low end is what people need for towing and hauling. I've drive a loaded down F350 dually with a 6.2L gas engine and it does fine. I am surprised that they did not release the heavy duty 10 speed back in 2017, but they wanted to be sure that a heavy duty design would be reliable. Only time will tell over the next couple years on how it'll all hold up. I won't be surprised if they add a mid level power out put 10 speed for the 6.2L like they did with the 6.2L in 2017 with the 6r100 and just left the 6r140 for the F350+ and the 6.7L in the F250.
I think this new engine will be a great addition, especially for U-haul trucks (still using the V10) as a replacement engine for them. I don't think this engine is a true big block, seems like a small block far as bore spacing goes. You had large displacement engines back in the 60s and 70s that were small block in design.
I still work at a Dodge dealership, but I'm Ford biased. The 6.4L Hemi engine is decent in the heavy duty trucks. Unless you are constantly towing or hauling, the gas engine is more than capable. Ambulance fleets have moved to mostly gas fleets because of the unreliability of the older diesels that potentially caused people to die en-route to the hospital, because of engine failure. I still see newer diesel ambulances, but rarely.
The main issue with the Hemi engines we see a lot are, broken exhaust manifold bolts and valve train ticking.
I'm not at all surprised that Ford went with an overhead valve design. Overhead valve engines tend to make torque at the bottom end of the RPM band, where as overhead cam (single and dual) makes it mid to high range. Low end is what people need for towing and hauling. I've drive a loaded down F350 dually with a 6.2L gas engine and it does fine. I am surprised that they did not release the heavy duty 10 speed back in 2017, but they wanted to be sure that a heavy duty design would be reliable. Only time will tell over the next couple years on how it'll all hold up. I won't be surprised if they add a mid level power out put 10 speed for the 6.2L like they did with the 6.2L in 2017 with the 6r100 and just left the 6r140 for the F350+ and the 6.7L in the F250.
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02-08-2019, 07:32 AM
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#117
02-08-2019, 07:44 AM
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The Ford site states Super Duty now offers an available all-new 10-speed tranny. That leads me to believe under specific conditions, not across the board. I would guess the 6R100 will stay with the F250 6.2 since they only introduced it three years ago. I would think the 6.7 would get the new 10-speed.
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02-08-2019, 08:00 AM
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The Ford site states Super Duty now offers an available all-new 10-speed tranny. That leads me to believe under specific conditions, not across the board. I would guess the 6R100 will stay with the F250 6.2 since they only introduced it three years ago. I would think the 6.7 would get the new 10-speed.
Right now, in the F150, the 5.0L v8 is a $2000 option on the XLT and the Lariat trim level. Sort of unreal to me...They really do play some games with pricing; I'm anxious to see how it unfolds for the 7.3.
#119
02-08-2019, 08:25 AM
This will prove interesting once the online Build & Price is opened up. I guess it would make some sense to keep the 6 spped "G" tranny with the 6.2. Good point on it only being 3 years old.
Right now, in the F150, the 5.0L v8 is a $2000 option on the XLT and the Lariat trim level. Sort of unreal to me...They really do play some games with pricing; I'm anxious to see how it unfolds for the 7.3.
Right now, in the F150, the 5.0L v8 is a $2000 option on the XLT and the Lariat trim level. Sort of unreal to me...They really do play some games with pricing; I'm anxious to see how it unfolds for the 7.3.