Please talk me back into a Ford
#16
12-27-2018, 09:37 AM
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Thanks guys I knew I would get some logical post.
I am the kind of buyer that over researches everything I buy.
I also know that all mechanical things will and can break. I choose to acknowledge that and not be one to believe there has never been an issue with a turbo failure in a EB or pinging 5.0 issue.
I also realize that people tend to make more noise about problems than good happenings , and the internet is a great place to do that.
I am the kind of buyer that over researches everything I buy.
I also know that all mechanical things will and can break. I choose to acknowledge that and not be one to believe there has never been an issue with a turbo failure in a EB or pinging 5.0 issue.
I also realize that people tend to make more noise about problems than good happenings , and the internet is a great place to do that.
#17
12-27-2018, 10:19 AM
I'm with most of the others on this thread. There are thousands and thousands of both the EcoBoost and NA 5.0L engines on the road trouble-free for every one that has had some kind of issue. And turbo failures are almost unheard of.
You do get a skewed perspective looking at the various forums (forei?).
You do get a skewed perspective looking at the various forums (forei?).
#18
12-27-2018, 10:20 AM
#20
12-27-2018, 10:45 AM
I looked at the Tundra as well.. although the Tundra is slightly more reliable, the gas mileage is horrible and it was only $500 off MSRP while my F-150 was discounted by $10,000 - and it's pretty easy to do that right now on the 2018 models.
Tundra has slightly better resale value but you'd still lose more compared to the F-150 because you would be buying it at retail or close.
Also, the F-150 had a lot more tech stuff inside than the Tundra when I looked.
Even if Ford didn't offer me such a great deal on the F-150, I'd still go for the F-150 but it's much closer to 50/50 for me.
Tundra has slightly better resale value but you'd still lose more compared to the F-150 because you would be buying it at retail or close.
Also, the F-150 had a lot more tech stuff inside than the Tundra when I looked.
Even if Ford didn't offer me such a great deal on the F-150, I'd still go for the F-150 but it's much closer to 50/50 for me.
#21
12-27-2018, 11:28 AM
My brother bought a Tundra a few years ago after having always owned Fords. The first thing he complained about was how uncomfortable the seats were and how bad the fuel mileage is. He’s had to take it to the dealer on a few occasions for repair. The cruise control switch failed, windshield washer failed, A/C compressor failed, and he had a problem with the blinker switch. He’s also had a problem with the center caps on his wheels coming off and getting lost. I know 3 of them have been replaced.
My truck hasn’t been to the dealer for anything except for oil changes and tire rotation.
My truck hasn’t been to the dealer for anything except for oil changes and tire rotation.
#23
12-27-2018, 12:01 PM
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My good buddy has a 2018 Tundra 1794. I have my 2015 XLT. My XLT has features that his 1794 didn't from the factory. Remote Start and a 115vac outlet to name 2. He loves the way the Tundra drives and raves about how comfortable the seats are. I hate the way his tundra drives and I think the seats are uncomfortable. Each person will be different. My 150 blows his tundra away on MPG and is quicker. Test drive both and buy what he likes. CPO is the way to go though. my $.02.
#24
12-27-2018, 12:11 PM
I looked at the 2017/18 Tundra at the same time as the F150.
it was compelling because the KC dealer offers lifetime drive train warranties baked into the price. A Toyota with lifetime warranty sounded counterintuitive. I dug further.
the Tundras are using 12-15 year old design and tech. Little updates other than radar cruise to reflect progress.
I still opted for Ford because I didn’t need 4.30 gears for a daily drive. 15mpg on the high side, compared with the Super Duty. Again a minus for DD. No active fuel management. Advantage Ford. Towing needs max at 8500 lbs. F150 5.0 with 3.31 gears, no problem.
the Tundra still had towing limits above my needs.
Yes, the tride and true Tundra may be a better buy, but the larger dated engine design, poor mpg and shorter gearing left me thinking the Tundra is a great spot between F150 and Super Duties.
I looked at Super Duties for a couple months. More truck than my needs. Tundra still more truck then my needs...slid me back to the F150.
i looked at preowned 150’s and opted for new. The end of year incentives were ‘only’ $3,500 more for new. That’s 90’ish dollars a month for a 36 month factory warranty. And I don’t need to spend time and extra money fixing out of warranty repairs from a pre-owned rig. In my area you either get near new trade-ins or beat to snot rigs that could be late model restoration from farm life. My dealers pre-owned wait list was so deep he’d cherry pick rigs from Enterprise Truck rentals. Those rigs are impeccably maintained but lack 302a package for XLT’s.
My bad back needs a power seat. The power adjustable pedals, a priceless bonus. Now my chiropractor calls ME to ask if I need to schedule appointments...
YMMV
whatever your son chooses. Will be the right rig for him.
My dads advice: buy the right tool for the job. Rent the tools or hire help when the need exceeds ones limits and abilities.
it was compelling because the KC dealer offers lifetime drive train warranties baked into the price. A Toyota with lifetime warranty sounded counterintuitive. I dug further.
the Tundras are using 12-15 year old design and tech. Little updates other than radar cruise to reflect progress.
I still opted for Ford because I didn’t need 4.30 gears for a daily drive. 15mpg on the high side, compared with the Super Duty. Again a minus for DD. No active fuel management. Advantage Ford. Towing needs max at 8500 lbs. F150 5.0 with 3.31 gears, no problem.
the Tundra still had towing limits above my needs.
Yes, the tride and true Tundra may be a better buy, but the larger dated engine design, poor mpg and shorter gearing left me thinking the Tundra is a great spot between F150 and Super Duties.
I looked at Super Duties for a couple months. More truck than my needs. Tundra still more truck then my needs...slid me back to the F150.
i looked at preowned 150’s and opted for new. The end of year incentives were ‘only’ $3,500 more for new. That’s 90’ish dollars a month for a 36 month factory warranty. And I don’t need to spend time and extra money fixing out of warranty repairs from a pre-owned rig. In my area you either get near new trade-ins or beat to snot rigs that could be late model restoration from farm life. My dealers pre-owned wait list was so deep he’d cherry pick rigs from Enterprise Truck rentals. Those rigs are impeccably maintained but lack 302a package for XLT’s.
My bad back needs a power seat. The power adjustable pedals, a priceless bonus. Now my chiropractor calls ME to ask if I need to schedule appointments...
YMMV
whatever your son chooses. Will be the right rig for him.
My dads advice: buy the right tool for the job. Rent the tools or hire help when the need exceeds ones limits and abilities.
#26
12-27-2018, 12:34 PM
#27
12-27-2018, 01:15 PM
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#28
12-27-2018, 01:36 PM
I looked at the Tundra as well.. although the Tundra is slightly more reliable, the gas mileage is horrible and it was only $500 off MSRP while my F-150 was discounted by $10,000 - and it's pretty easy to do that right now on the 2018 models.
Tundra has slightly better resale value but you'd still lose more compared to the F-150 because you would be buying it at retail or close.
Also, the F-150 had a lot more tech stuff inside than the Tundra when I looked.
Even if Ford didn't offer me such a great deal on the F-150, I'd still go for the F-150 but it's much closer to 50/50 for me.
Tundra has slightly better resale value but you'd still lose more compared to the F-150 because you would be buying it at retail or close.
Also, the F-150 had a lot more tech stuff inside than the Tundra when I looked.
Even if Ford didn't offer me such a great deal on the F-150, I'd still go for the F-150 but it's much closer to 50/50 for me.
#29
12-27-2018, 03:36 PM
True but you forget this: You sure aren't getting generous discounts with the new Toyota. When the new Ford discount is factored in, I'm ahead with the F-150.
My 2012 had the best.. was $39, bought for $29, traded in a little over four years later for $24. Can the Toyota top that? Unlikely.
My 2012 had the best.. was $39, bought for $29, traded in a little over four years later for $24. Can the Toyota top that? Unlikely.
#30
12-27-2018, 03:39 PM
We had a Tundra a few years ago. It was a nice truck. "Maybe" a little better ride than the F-150, but it is a close call. Horrible mileage. Excellent reliability (never had a single problem). Smaller back seat. Excellent power, but the F-150 (3.5L EB) is better. If I had to make the decision today, I'd think I'd still opt for the F-150.
The $10k off made my decision a whole lot easier though, not denying that. If the Tundra and Ford were priced the same, no discounts, I'm more likely 50/50. When I buy a new car, resale value and gas mileage are what I look into.