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Getting ready to order a new one: 4x4 or 4x2 Thoughts?

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Old 10-12-2018, 01:09 AM
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From the sound of what you need, get the 2 wheel drive.
 
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This is an interesting question. I did a quick search and found this article https://www.businessfleet.com/159398...the-extra-cost . After reading that, I think the best thing you should do is try to figure out the resale value of 4x4 vs 4x2 in your area. Then try to determine if getting a 4x4 is worth it. If people are buying 4x4 trucks in your area, then buying a 4x2 will really reduce the number of prospective buyers and hence lower the resale value.

Also, I see that you are spending money on the diesel engine. However, you already stated that this is what you intend on doing with the truck : " pulling my 5th wheel trailer, going to the dump, or hauling big stuff". In this case, do you really NEED a diesel engine?

As a wise person(s) once said on this forum, there are two reasons to buy a diesel engine. 1) you need it to tow heavy and often or 2) You want a diesel. I think both are acceptable reasons to buy a diesel.

If you want to save money, then the question should be whether you truly need a diesel.

That said, ask yourself, whether potential buyers of your future used truck will want a 4x2 or 4x4.

In my opinion, since you are buying the diesel, go with the 4x4 just to make the resale value better. If you were buying the gas engine, then I would recommend 4x2 since the resale would not be affected as much.

Also, I strongly recommend that you look at the F350 instead of the F250 simply because you get more towing and hauling capacity and don't have to worry about the tongue weight. The MPG is going to be the same

Take a look at the following forum threads for F250 vs F350.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...y-and-mpg.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...rear-axle.html

As for not liking the ride, have you tried test driving a F350 with a long bed instead of a short bed?
 
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Old 10-12-2018, 06:18 AM
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Quite simply, 4x4 is security. Pickups are among the worst vehicles for traction without 4x4 simply because of the weight bias to the front. Sure, you can add weight. I recently drove my 250 diesel into a grassy area that was completely flat to park my 20' box trailer. It had rained a lot the night before and the area was soggy. I got stuck in 2WD right away! And this is with my 35" BFG off-road tires. 4x4 solved the problem.

Now, living in NH I would never consider a 4x2 for my primary transportation. Even in this snowbelt area you still see a fair number of 4x2 trucks but they are mostly contractors or fleet trucks.

I've had 250's, 350's, and a dually. Gas and diesel. In the past there seemed to be no difference between a 250 and 350 in terms of ride. For 2017, the leaf springs are actually a little softer spring rate than a 350. In my humble opinion, the 250 for 2017+ rides noticeably nicer than a 350. Not night and day, but noticeable. I tow with mine almost every day in the summer, aboout 12klbs. Box trailers and equipment haulers. The 250 handles it as easily as the 350's I've had; probably not as well as the dually.
 
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These new trucks ride very well. Especially if you replace the shocks with Rancho 9000’s and stick with the 18” wheels. 20s are bad but 18s are better.

My grandfather has had 2wd Dodge Duallys since 2001. He retired from the Navy at age 42. And at age 60 decide for fun he was going to be a transporter. He pulled trailers all over the North America. However he has also been stuck all over North America. He is years older than you and probably on his last truck and the long distance traveling days are mostly in his rear view mirror. However about a year ago he asked me to help find him a new truck.

When asking what all he wanted and doing a build and price he said to click the 4x4 box. I was shocked I said why do you want 4x4. His response was simple. “I’m too damn old to worry about having a problem in these big heavy trucks”.

A year later and a 2017 F350 SRW FX4 (I bought mine first) he couldn’t be happier. He is also very impressed with the ride of the Fords and even he admits the new 6.7 Ford is a monster.

get 4x4 and enjoy the insurance abd the extra **** on the dash.
 
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Originally Posted by MarkNix View Post
That package fills the need entirely EXCEPT for the fact that the only rear end I can get is the 3.31 ratio and my gut says that is too tall for pulling a 5th wheel over mountain passes. Even with the diesel engine doing the pulling. Anyone with thoughts about that?
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Correct on the 3.31 axle for your proposed 4x2 configuration. Along the same line, that configuration would be fitted with 275/65R18E A/S tires, which Ford says are the smallest (most revs per mile) of their stock tire offerings.

The impact of the “small” tires shouldn’t be overlooked. The 3.31 axle with the above tires (652 revs per mile) equals 2158 driveshaft revs per mile. The 3.55 axle with 275/65R20E A/S tires (599 revs per mile) equals 2126 driveshaft revs per mile.

There’s no official difference in max trailer weight specs for your configuration with 3.31 or 3.55.

HTH,
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:21 AM
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Correct on the 3.31 axle for your proposed 4x2 configuration. Along the same line, that configuration would be fitted with 275/65R18E A/S tires, which Ford says are the smallest (most revs per mile) of their stock tire offerings.

The impact of the “small” tires shouldn’t be overlooked. The 3.31 axle with the above tires (652 revs per mile) equals 2158 driveshaft revs per mile. The 3.55 axle with 275/65R20E A/S tires (599 revs per mile) equals 2126 driveshaft revs per mile.

There’s no official difference in max trailer weight specs for your configuration with 3.31 or 3.55.

HTH,
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OK now that's an interesting angle. I'll never argue with solid math. I even thought about an after-sale gear swap in the rear end, but tires would be far less work. Final gear ratio is final gear ratio no matter how it's achieved .
 
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And, with a 3.31 axle and a 4x2 drivetrain, I’d expect for you to see excellent unloaded highway fuel economy, especially at your elevation in the summer (reduced aero drag).
 
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:03 PM
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And, with a 3.31 axle and a 4x2 drivetrain, I’d expect for you to see excellent unloaded highway fuel economy, especially at your elevation in the summer (reduced aero drag).
I believe you are right on that assessment. However, I'll probably never get to realize that benefit. If my truck is on the highway, it's probably got my 12,000 lb. 5th wheel attached to it. Other than that, it's only occasional trips to the local landfill or Home Depot to pick up something too big for my Honda CR-V. In the 5 years of owning my Ram 3500, with 45,000 miles on it, the total highway miles without a 5th wheel attached is probably less than 2,000 of those miles. Maybe less than 1,000.
 


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