Settling for the gasser?
#121
12-23-2018, 06:10 PM
Elder User
Quit wishing and read, I posted right under you. I counted them at 3 dealers when I was shopping earlier this year. I was wanting to drive one, there were hardly no gassers except the xl/xlt fleet work trucks and I didn't count them. Only 2 of the dealers had lariat value equipped trucks with the 6.2. It was not something I would want.
Very revvy and feels like the truck is too heavy for the motor to begin with. I put upwards of 50k a year on these things and would not like to hear it shifting all the time. Besides, If I wanted a gasser I would just get an f150 3.5 eco and throw some airbags on it. Its like 13 or 14k towing isn't it.
Very revvy and feels like the truck is too heavy for the motor to begin with. I put upwards of 50k a year on these things and would not like to hear it shifting all the time. Besides, If I wanted a gasser I would just get an f150 3.5 eco and throw some airbags on it. Its like 13 or 14k towing isn't it.
#122
12-23-2018, 06:16 PM
When I did a calculation on fuel savings vs engine cost, it would take me over 40 years to make up the initial cost of the diesel. That’s not counting maintenance, etc. Now, as the price spread is close to $1/gal, the time to recoup is even longer. I enjoyed my diesel when I had one and may get one again one day. But, having towed my TT about 3500 of 15000 miles, the gas was a far better choice for my usage.
#123
12-23-2018, 06:20 PM
What I love is all the "expert mechanics" that claim the NEW diesels have more maintanance than gas.
Even when there were bad diesels every bay was always filled with their hoods up and working on 90%
GAS vehicle engines.
Every ford shop I've ever been in since the 60's has the hood up working on GAS ENGINES in GASOLINE cars.
but yet people come here and complain about DIESELS.
I've only driven diesels since the late 80's Ford, GMC, HINO, IVECO, Hummer H1 Dodge Sprinter, both in my personal vehicles and
commercial trucks. That's around 40 years and I have never ever had and DIESEL engine related problem with any
of my vehicles, sure I replaced water pumps, alternators, belts, but never a diesel related issue.
Now the Einsteins that say do you "need" a diesel - WHO CARES what you need or don't "need" this is
the USA one doesn't 'NEED" to need something they can actually just WANT a diesel just "Because
Furthermore these expert mechanics that say they work on diesel don't have a clue 1) how the vehicle was driven
2) how it was maintained, etc, yet they come here and whine about diesels.
I have plenty of friends that work on gas vehicles that say NEVER BUY A GAS vehile they are junk and don't hold up.
You don't need to justify a diesel purchase to anyone especially all the Debbie Downers here
Even when there were bad diesels every bay was always filled with their hoods up and working on 90%
GAS vehicle engines.
Every ford shop I've ever been in since the 60's has the hood up working on GAS ENGINES in GASOLINE cars.
but yet people come here and complain about DIESELS.
I've only driven diesels since the late 80's Ford, GMC, HINO, IVECO, Hummer H1 Dodge Sprinter, both in my personal vehicles and
commercial trucks. That's around 40 years and I have never ever had and DIESEL engine related problem with any
of my vehicles, sure I replaced water pumps, alternators, belts, but never a diesel related issue.
Now the Einsteins that say do you "need" a diesel - WHO CARES what you need or don't "need" this is
the USA one doesn't 'NEED" to need something they can actually just WANT a diesel just "Because
Furthermore these expert mechanics that say they work on diesel don't have a clue 1) how the vehicle was driven
2) how it was maintained, etc, yet they come here and whine about diesels.
I have plenty of friends that work on gas vehicles that say NEVER BUY A GAS vehile they are junk and don't hold up.
You don't need to justify a diesel purchase to anyone especially all the Debbie Downers here
#124
12-23-2018, 06:32 PM
With how many miles you drive, and if you tow you are a prime candidate for a diesel truck. I do have to comment on the “revvy” thing..... my truck honestly lumps around like a harley. It is like the complete opposite of “revvy”. Now the f150 with the 3.5.... revvy. 6.2 in the SD not so much. As for the f150 tow capacity thing, NEVER TOW MAX..... I’ll be the first to admit i do DUMB A&$ things from time to time, but tow 13k with an f150 farther than 5 miles........no. F150’s pull mid size rv’s and fishin’ boats...... not montana 5er’s.
#125
12-23-2018, 06:48 PM
What I love is all the "expert mechanics" that claim the NEW diesels have more maintanance than gas.
Even when there were bad diesels every bay was always filled with their hoods up and working on 90%
GAS vehicle engines.
Every ford shop I've ever been in since the 60's has the hood up working on GAS ENGINES in GASOLINE cars.
but yet people come here and complain about DIESELS.
I've only driven diesels since the late 80's Ford, GMC, HINO, IVECO, Hummer H1 Dodge Sprinter, both in my personal vehicles and
commercial trucks. That's around 40 years and I have never ever had and DIESEL engine related problem with any
of my vehicles, sure I replaced water pumps, alternators, belts, but never a diesel related issue.
Now the Einsteins that say do you "need" a diesel - WHO CARES what you need or don't "need" this is
the USA one doesn't 'NEED" to need something they can actually just WANT a diesel just "Because
Furthermore these expert mechanics that say they work on diesel don't have a clue 1) how the vehicle was driven
2) how it was maintained, etc, yet they come here and whine about diesels.
I have plenty of friends that work on gas vehicles that say NEVER BUY A GAS vehile they are junk and don't hold up.
You don't need to justify a diesel purchase to anyone especially all the Debbie Downers here
Even when there were bad diesels every bay was always filled with their hoods up and working on 90%
GAS vehicle engines.
Every ford shop I've ever been in since the 60's has the hood up working on GAS ENGINES in GASOLINE cars.
but yet people come here and complain about DIESELS.
I've only driven diesels since the late 80's Ford, GMC, HINO, IVECO, Hummer H1 Dodge Sprinter, both in my personal vehicles and
commercial trucks. That's around 40 years and I have never ever had and DIESEL engine related problem with any
of my vehicles, sure I replaced water pumps, alternators, belts, but never a diesel related issue.
Now the Einsteins that say do you "need" a diesel - WHO CARES what you need or don't "need" this is
the USA one doesn't 'NEED" to need something they can actually just WANT a diesel just "Because
Furthermore these expert mechanics that say they work on diesel don't have a clue 1) how the vehicle was driven
2) how it was maintained, etc, yet they come here and whine about diesels.
I have plenty of friends that work on gas vehicles that say NEVER BUY A GAS vehile they are junk and don't hold up.
You don't need to justify a diesel purchase to anyone especially all the Debbie Downers here
#126
12-23-2018, 06:48 PM
Elder User
What I love is all the "expert mechanics" that claim the NEW diesels have more maintanance than gas.
Even when there were bad diesels every bay was always filled with their hoods up and working on 90%
GAS vehicle engines.
Every ford shop I've ever been in since the 60's has the hood up working on GAS ENGINES in GASOLINE cars.
but yet people come here and complain about DIESELS.
I've only driven diesels since the late 80's Ford, GMC, HINO, IVECO, Hummer H1 Dodge Sprinter, both in my personal vehicles and
commercial trucks. That's around 40 years and I have never ever had and DIESEL engine related problem with any
of my vehicles, sure I replaced water pumps, alternators, belts, but never a diesel related issue.
Now the Einsteins that say do you "need" a diesel - WHO CARES what you need or don't "need" this is
the USA one doesn't 'NEED" to need something they can actually just WANT a diesel just "Because
Furthermore these expert mechanics that say they work on diesel don't have a clue 1) how the vehicle was driven
2) how it was maintained, etc, yet they come here and whine about diesels.
I have plenty of friends that work on gas vehicles that say NEVER BUY A GAS vehile they are junk and don't hold up.
You don't need to justify a diesel purchase to anyone especially all the Debbie Downers here
Even when there were bad diesels every bay was always filled with their hoods up and working on 90%
GAS vehicle engines.
Every ford shop I've ever been in since the 60's has the hood up working on GAS ENGINES in GASOLINE cars.
but yet people come here and complain about DIESELS.
I've only driven diesels since the late 80's Ford, GMC, HINO, IVECO, Hummer H1 Dodge Sprinter, both in my personal vehicles and
commercial trucks. That's around 40 years and I have never ever had and DIESEL engine related problem with any
of my vehicles, sure I replaced water pumps, alternators, belts, but never a diesel related issue.
Now the Einsteins that say do you "need" a diesel - WHO CARES what you need or don't "need" this is
the USA one doesn't 'NEED" to need something they can actually just WANT a diesel just "Because
Furthermore these expert mechanics that say they work on diesel don't have a clue 1) how the vehicle was driven
2) how it was maintained, etc, yet they come here and whine about diesels.
I have plenty of friends that work on gas vehicles that say NEVER BUY A GAS vehile they are junk and don't hold up.
You don't need to justify a diesel purchase to anyone especially all the Debbie Downers here
#129
12-23-2018, 07:02 PM
Elder User
#130
12-23-2018, 07:07 PM
My 2017 CCSB 4x4 is a diesel. The only reason it's a diesel is because that is simply what I wanted. I never tow anything with it and don't plan to. It's just that I wanted a diesel. Simple as that! I don't have to justify anything. Just buy your truck the way you want it and the drive it and enjoy it. Who cares what others think.
#131
12-23-2018, 07:11 PM
My 2017 CCSB 4x4 is a diesel. The only reason it's a diesel is because that is simply what I wanted. I never tow anything with it and don't plan to. It's just that I wanted a diesel. Simple as that! I don't have to justify anything. Just buy your truck the way you want it and the drive it and enjoy it. Who cares what others think.
matt
#132
12-23-2018, 07:44 PM
Lead Driver
What I love is all the "expert mechanics" that claim the NEW diesels have more maintanance than gas.
Even when there were bad diesels every bay was always filled with their hoods up and working on 90%
GAS vehicle engines.
Every ford shop I've ever been in since the 60's has the hood up working on GAS ENGINES in GASOLINE cars.
but yet people come here and complain about DIESELS.
I've only driven diesels since the late 80's Ford, GMC, HINO, IVECO, Hummer H1 Dodge Sprinter, both in my personal vehicles and
commercial trucks. That's around 40 years and I have never ever had and DIESEL engine related problem with any
of my vehicles, sure I replaced water pumps, alternators, belts, but never a diesel related issue.
Now the Einsteins that say do you "need" a diesel - WHO CARES what you need or don't "need" this is
the USA one doesn't 'NEED" to need something they can actually just WANT a diesel just "Because
Furthermore these expert mechanics that say they work on diesel don't have a clue 1) how the vehicle was driven
2) how it was maintained, etc, yet they come here and whine about diesels.
I have plenty of friends that work on gas vehicles that say NEVER BUY A GAS vehile they are junk and don't hold up.
You don't need to justify a diesel purchase to anyone especially all the Debbie Downers here
Even when there were bad diesels every bay was always filled with their hoods up and working on 90%
GAS vehicle engines.
Every ford shop I've ever been in since the 60's has the hood up working on GAS ENGINES in GASOLINE cars.
but yet people come here and complain about DIESELS.
I've only driven diesels since the late 80's Ford, GMC, HINO, IVECO, Hummer H1 Dodge Sprinter, both in my personal vehicles and
commercial trucks. That's around 40 years and I have never ever had and DIESEL engine related problem with any
of my vehicles, sure I replaced water pumps, alternators, belts, but never a diesel related issue.
Now the Einsteins that say do you "need" a diesel - WHO CARES what you need or don't "need" this is
the USA one doesn't 'NEED" to need something they can actually just WANT a diesel just "Because
Furthermore these expert mechanics that say they work on diesel don't have a clue 1) how the vehicle was driven
2) how it was maintained, etc, yet they come here and whine about diesels.
I have plenty of friends that work on gas vehicles that say NEVER BUY A GAS vehile they are junk and don't hold up.
You don't need to justify a diesel purchase to anyone especially all the Debbie Downers here
My 6.2 gas F250 has been the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned. 97K miles of oil field fleet (XL no options) use before I had it too; it also featured blown shocks, gooseneck hitch, a cheapo custom push bar up front, and trashed body mounts. Its hard to explain in words but I've owned other 'beater' work trucks and this 2011 F250 is just damn near bullet proof.
I bought it as a cheap beater and I started driving it daily as I'm downtown and the regular cab long bed is very maneuverable. Along with catching up on the maintenance I threw some XLT wheels on it and tinted the windows. Doesn't use a drop of oil.
#133
12-23-2018, 07:51 PM
Sir this is all nothing more than a bunch of gobblers dancing around in the digitized field of life. Not to be a “debbie downer” and i am far from an expert, but i have worked in the automotive industry for 20 years. 8 of those were in a large ford dealership, and 2 at a large dodge store. I will say that if you have had nothing but diesel vehicles since the 80’s and never experienced a costly failure, turn off computer, buy a plane ticket to vegas, and roll it all on red..... immediately. Diesel sprinter van and never had a problem? You are literally the only person in america. Those things are absolutely awful. Ultimately i would be interested in personality profile testing between gas and diesel owners. I think that would actually be something of substance.
As far as all my other Diesel vehciles they were no different than any of my gas vehicles. The only difference of course was that some diesels took more oil than the gas.
But Changing fuel filters, oil filters, etc was the same - it needs to be done on both.
I have a 2008 F450 6.4 with verified service records for the dealer now at 125K miles and I drive it every day no diesel related issues Oil changed every 10K. That pook truck get abused more than any truck I've ever owned. Pull a 16' dump trailer overwaited most times to the dump on a regular basis. I still love that truck and refused to treade it in on my new diesel.
I just got a 2019 F250 Lariat 6.7 this week, and in my opinion is one of the finest vehicles I've ever driven, even compared to my wife's lexus, the 4runner she had, the gas Jeep SUV she had.
Each to his own, but to complaing about diesels from my end and I will never drive a gas vehicle in my life time.
#134
12-23-2018, 07:53 PM
Lead Driver
20,000 miles at 10.5mpg in the 6.2 with $2.20 gas is $4,190.
20,000 miles at 16.5mpg in a diesel with $2.70 diesel is $3,272.
Also, my 6.2 at 165K miles really really likes 89 octane or it will bog. It has for as long as I can remember, even before the 5star 87 daily/tow tune. Worth mentioning.
Not knocking the 6.2 at all, just adding in some of my experiences.
