V4 built truck now more upgrades.
#31
09-25-2018, 09:42 AM
#34
09-25-2018, 12:04 PM
if you want reliable usable power do it once and do it right. You have the fab skills to make your own piping, if you don’t want to fool with it Carson Stauffers kit IMO is the best all around t4 package out there. A SXE 66 or 69 can be had for 800-1000, you will never look back. A 69 will handle 160s-250s.
lift is last IMO
Trans, yeah it won’t last, but a transgo tigger kit or JW will help quite a bit with a 6.0 cooler. Knock on wood but a close friend reliably tows a 13k camper in his tow tune at 36-39 psi through Colorado mountains bi weekly without heat issues (trans/egt/elm) on a stock trans with a JW valve body. On the rollers on a cold winter day it was a tad over 520hp in that tune on the top end. He is over 30k miles on that 4R trans brother of the E40. I thought it would have blown when we turned it all the way up on the test drive... so hey what do I know!
#35
09-27-2018, 09:23 AM
Hotshot
[left]Well where I come from even with an IC, if you throw a chip on it, it’s no more than a sporadic fun maker because the stock turbo even in a SD does not flow enough air to keep it cool. But that’s just me as we are a 6k and travel to 11k elevation weekly. Tuning retards it so far to run cool might as well get rid of the chip as it’s so close to stock.
#36
09-27-2018, 10:00 AM
I gotta disagree a little. My '97, Rosewood Stage 1s, stock turbo, intercooler, would not get above 1200 in certain tunes....sooooooo I would only run this tunes when towing heavy. I could get on it all I wanted and it would stay cool. I know each of these trucks is a tad different though. Not sure how that works, but it seems to hold true.
I guess i should always put in my responses take it with a grain of salt considering your location. I mentioned he needs an IC either way, if I removed that its 125-150 degree difference across the board at the manifold. This is our experience with dozens of trucks from stock modified to heavily modified. When you start towing anything of weight 8,000+ lbs at altitude it changes the ball game entirely. My truck will religiously run 150 degrees cooler below 3000 feet, 5-8000 150 higher, and over 9000 even hotter. I'm not saying this is true for all, but we have not had a single truck in here that will stay on the floor with a chip even in a heavy tow tune through the high hills, and stock turbo/IC no matter the tuner. All the big names have been tried and a few smaller reputable tuners as well.
I only say this because I can keep it on the floor all day long with whatever load in any gear below 3000 feet, and never push 1300 degrees even a heavy long heat soaking climb. Pulling Georgetown to Ike from 9000 to near 11000 yes 1450 will be hit trying to hold 60 in 4th. Water is the saving grace in this situation. DP tunes would hit 1600, PHP was about the same. GH has been the only one so far that is the coolest out of all, yet on the rollers its not a big hp tune comparatively.
#37
09-27-2018, 08:52 PM
#39
09-27-2018, 09:36 PM
#41
09-28-2018, 08:11 PM
#42
09-29-2018, 08:40 AM
Hotshot
What was your manifold pressure with it on the floor?
I guess i should always put in my responses take it with a grain of salt considering your location. I mentioned he needs an IC either way, if I removed that its 125-150 degree difference across the board at the manifold. This is our experience with dozens of trucks from stock modified to heavily modified. When you start towing anything of weight 8,000+ lbs at altitude it changes the ball game entirely. My truck will religiously run 150 degrees cooler below 3000 feet, 5-8000 150 higher, and over 9000 even hotter. I'm not saying this is true for all, but we have not had a single truck in here that will stay on the floor with a chip even in a heavy tow tune through the high hills, and stock turbo/IC no matter the tuner. All the big names have been tried and a few smaller reputable tuners as well.
I only say this because I can keep it on the floor all day long with whatever load in any gear below 3000 feet, and never push 1300 degrees even a heavy long heat soaking climb. Pulling Georgetown to Ike from 9000 to near 11000 yes 1450 will be hit trying to hold 60 in 4th. Water is the saving grace in this situation. DP tunes would hit 1600, PHP was about the same. GH has been the only one so far that is the coolest out of all, yet on the rollers its not a big hp tune comparatively.
I guess i should always put in my responses take it with a grain of salt considering your location. I mentioned he needs an IC either way, if I removed that its 125-150 degree difference across the board at the manifold. This is our experience with dozens of trucks from stock modified to heavily modified. When you start towing anything of weight 8,000+ lbs at altitude it changes the ball game entirely. My truck will religiously run 150 degrees cooler below 3000 feet, 5-8000 150 higher, and over 9000 even hotter. I'm not saying this is true for all, but we have not had a single truck in here that will stay on the floor with a chip even in a heavy tow tune through the high hills, and stock turbo/IC no matter the tuner. All the big names have been tried and a few smaller reputable tuners as well.
I only say this because I can keep it on the floor all day long with whatever load in any gear below 3000 feet, and never push 1300 degrees even a heavy long heat soaking climb. Pulling Georgetown to Ike from 9000 to near 11000 yes 1450 will be hit trying to hold 60 in 4th. Water is the saving grace in this situation. DP tunes would hit 1600, PHP was about the same. GH has been the only one so far that is the coolest out of all, yet on the rollers its not a big hp tune comparatively.
EGTs 1200 highest
MAP 32
Boost 22
EOT 220
HPOP 2900
I don't tow at elevation much though, so I won't find that out until my next trip in January where I'll be up at 9000 feet plus.
#43
09-29-2018, 09:17 AM
I honestly do not remember Nick. I never watched it and that was 4 plus years ago. This last trip with my SD, numbers were as follows on a hard pull with 13k behind me.
EGTs 1200 highest
MAP 32
Boost 22
EOT 220
HPOP 2900
I don't tow at elevation much though, so I won't find that out until my next trip in January where I'll be up at 9000 feet plus.
EGTs 1200 highest
MAP 32
Boost 22
EOT 220
HPOP 2900
I don't tow at elevation much though, so I won't find that out until my next trip in January where I'll be up at 9000 feet plus.
No worries I was just curious. Either way if its running cool that is all that matters.
#44
09-29-2018, 09:26 AM
Hotshot
The best I understand it, the Superduties are set to defuel at 22, so tunes are maxed at 22, which all I ever see. I have the redline mod (line disconnected from the wastegate). No boost leaks and up-pipes are good. But yeah, it runs cool and pulls great....that's all I can ask for right now. The tune is on a TS6 called "daily driver". It works the best out of all of them. The only tune that gets EGTs hot is the "all out" race tune or somn like that.
#45
09-29-2018, 02:01 PM
The best I understand it, the Superduties are set to defuel at 22, so tunes are maxed at 22, which all I ever see. I have the redline mod (line disconnected from the wastegate). No boost leaks and up-pipes are good. But yeah, it runs cool and pulls great....that's all I can ask for right now. The tune is on a TS6 called "daily driver". It works the best out of all of them. The only tune that gets EGTs hot is the "all out" race tune or somn like that.
Not sure how old the tunes are but modern day tuning should overide that, if not I'd recommend throwing in a fooler or a diode on there. Sort of neglect the purpose of a chip IMO. Either or will do it. but if all you ever see with the chip turned up is 22 I'd think you were right that it is defueling. We plug the red line and also safety wire the wastegate actuator back to prevent it from ever opening and I have never seen any modern tuned chip allow for the PCM to defuel at all.