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Old 09-14-2018, 10:16 AM
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Bad Fuel Pump?

Recently ive been driving around and when I take a corner my fuel pressure goes from 60PSI to 45PSI. My fuel tank is 1/2 Full and I have done the Hutch/Harpoon Mod.
Is my fuel pump screwed up? Trucks got 310K on it.
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Could easily be your fuel pump, especially at that mileage. My son's OEM pump made it to almost 300K, and mine made it to about 280K miles.

However, if it's only happening when you're making a turn, it sounds like you may have a hole in your pickup line (in the tank) at about the 1/2 tank mark. Generally, most folks who see this see it at about the 1/4 to 1/3 tank level, but it really depends on the long term history of how long it has sat at whatever level the hole occurs. If the pickup tube is indeed the problem, you'll have to get back in there to cut and install a new pickup tube.

I would go ahead and replace the pump (if it's indeed original), and see if that resolve the issue. A new Bosch pump can be had for about $120 and their easy to install. If it does not resolve your issue, I believe, from what little you've shared thus far, that the in tank tube is the next line of attack.

Replacing the pump is a great thing to do at your mileage. Even if it's not the problem today, it will be in the not so distant future, and probably when you can least afford the inconvenience of changing the pump on the side of the road or in a parking lot away from home.
 
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Originally Posted by F250_
Could easily be your fuel pump, especially at that mileage. My OEM pump made it to about 275K.

However, if it's only happening when you're making a turn, it sounds like you may have a hole in your pickup line (in the tank) at about the 1/2 tank mark. Generally, most folks who see this see it at about the 1/4 to 1/3 tank level, but it really depends on the long term history of how long it has sat at whatever level the hole occurs. If the pickup tube is indeed the problem, you'll have to get back in there to cut and install a new pickup tube.

I would go ahead and replace the pump (if it's indeed original), and see if that resolve the issue. A new Bosch pump can be had for about $120 and their easy to install. If it does not resolve your issue, I believe, from what little you've shared thus far, that the in tank tube is the next line of attack.

Replacing the pump is a great thing to do at your mileage. Even if it's not the problem today, it will be in the not so distant future, and probably when you can least afford the inconvenience of changing the pump on the side of the road or in a parking lot away from home.
I replaced the tank tube with a SST one when I did the hutch mod around Easter this year. Aren’t these pumps inertia pumps?
 
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No, not inertial. There is a ball check inside the pump suction, but if I recall correctly, it is a pressure relief valve which recirculates fuel back into the pump suction in the event of a plugged fuel filter in the engine valley. Regardless, if your suction line leaks air into the pump, the pump will not produce the fuel flow or pressure you need.

Below is a link to the thread where I shared a PDF of the entire pump torn down, and Figures 24-26 on Page 6 show the impeller design which is sort of like a modified version of a rotary lobe pump. The pump being torn down came from my son's truck when he replaced his pump at almost 300K miles.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-and-pics.html
 
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No, not inertial. There is a ball check inside the pump suction, but if I recall correctly, it is a pressure relief valve which recirculates fuel back into the pump suction in the event of a plugged fuel filter in the engine valley. Regardless, if your suction line leaks air into the pump, the pump will not produce the fuel flow or pressure you need.

Below is a link to the thread where I shared a PDF of the entire pump torn down, and Figures 24-26 on Page 6 show the impeller design which is sort of like a modified version of a rotary lobe pump. The pump being torn down came from my son's truck when he replaced his pump at almost 300K miles.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-and-pics.html
Bosch 69136 Original Equipment Replacement Electric Fuel Pump https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BZGGX4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_FeaNBbH52Q6D4
This is the original fuel pump, correct?
 
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Normal amount of air in the fuel?
 
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Normal amount of air in the fuel?
 
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How many miles have you driven since installing the Racor? When you installed the Racor filter did you replace the entire suction stock hose aka fuel injection hose> sending unit to Racor to Pump ? Double clamp turned 180* on all fittings?
 
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How many miles have you driven since installing the Racor? When you installed the Racor filter did you replace the entire suction stock hose aka fuel injection hose> sending unit to Racor to Pump ? Double clamp turned 180* on all fittings?
Been 10k, all new hose, all clamps are doubled up 180*
 
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Compression fitting leaking? The one on the foot extension?
 
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Compression fitting leaking? The one on the foot extension?
The one in the fuel tank? The tanks 100% full to the filler neck.
 
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Yes, the pump above is correct.

Since 10K miles, you should not have any air coming into the Racor. What should be "normal" at this point is "zero air".
 
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Originally Posted by F250_
Yes, the pump above is correct.

Since 10K miles, you should not have any air coming into the Racor. What should be "normal" at this point is "zero air".
So per the video I showed, there’s air coming in from somewhere? I’m assuming it’s a connection outside the fuel tank
 
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Also, when the truck is running it’ll usually run between 60-62 psi at idle. When you first start the truck itll be at 60psi and then will creep up to 62 after 30 seconds or so. I am also having an issue with high EGTs with low boost/exhaust back pressure, with no signs of leaks. IDK if this could be related to that.
 
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Does your truck have a CAT? How many miles on truck? I had high EGT's cut CAT out and it was PLUGGED with 350K, I "cleaned" it and high EGT's are no longer an issue.
 


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