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Old Sep 4, 2018 | 09:21 AM
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Red face PCM troubleshoot?

How do you determine if your PCM is the problem (short of changing it out)?

Also, might it be possible that I damaged it by grounding the self-test output instead of the input? I was trying to do a KOEO test by memory and instead of running a jumper from the STI to the ground terminal, I ran a wire from the STO terminal to the ground. Maybe just coincidence, but now the motor won't run.


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Old Sep 4, 2018 | 09:36 AM
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Grounding the STO pin should not have heart anything. Putting power on it might.
Attachment 281523

When you turn the key to the run position does the MIL come on in the cluster?

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Old Apr 5, 2019 | 06:52 PM
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When you turn the key to the run position does the MIL come on in the cluster?
No. It does come on during start/crank, but not when key is released to run.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2019 | 07:06 PM
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How do you determine if your PCM is the problem (short of changing it out)?
A common way to spot a bad PCM (and the way I concluded mine was bad) is a visual inspection. The capacitors leak. My truck bucked violently. I inspected my PCM, noticed a leaky capacitor, replaced the PCM, and bucking went away. I don't know of a way to determine 100% other than sending it off to be tested.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2019 | 07:22 PM
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Exclamation back at it

Ok, just ran the MIL self-test using the replacement junkyard PCM (after attempting to start engine a few times first).

Here’s the vid (note: MIL does come on in run in this case with the STI grounded).

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Old Apr 6, 2019 | 12:40 PM
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It looks like the CEL is off when it should be on and on when it should be off during the KOEO self-test.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2019 | 03:16 PM
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Hmmm.

Well I went and bought a OBD1 Ford scanner, and according to it there is nothing wrong: got the 111 pass code and then the 10 code to show it was finished with KOEO cycle.

I wonder, would the engine have to have been actually running at some point to get codes thrown on the PCM, or would they get stored during my failed attempts to start while engine is cranking? After all, this is now a different PCM, so if codes aren't thrown during crank cycle then I'm assuming I'm just reading the pass code from the previous donor truck.

Argh.
 
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The KOEO codes before the 10 are electrical tests and are the same if it had run or not.
This KOEO test before the 10 is for continuity and to see if all the readings for the solenoids and sensors are in the ball park values of what they should be.

The codes after the 10 in the KOEO self test are the codes that are lost with the power being removed from the PCM.
These codes are for anything that did not go right on the road.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2019 | 06:02 PM
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OK, so sounds like there won't be any codes after the 10 until the motor is actually running, which in this case is the problem I'm trying to diagnose! D'OH!

Back to square one I suppose.
 
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Back to basics:
Spark, fuel, compression.
The computer controls the first two, based on inputs from a number of sensors.
 
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