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hi i have an old f6 1951 i would like to put a 7.3 in it but wondering if it will fit without cutting into the body i know ill have to weld in mounts but any advice would be appreciated
cheers all
Stuart
Stuart , you will need to speak to the authorities up there and ask what they will allow you to do .
I think the process in QLD is you submit a proposal to build and they will tell you if it's ok or not ??
I suspect the T444E or 7.3 Powerstroke. I measured since I have one in my Excursion. It was not going to fit without major surgery. Radiator will need to move forward, accessories hang way off the sides making the front of the engine too wide to fit so inner fenders would need modifying. The turbo sits back where you'd have to cut into the firewall to make some clearance. That becomes problematic with the wiper motor. I ended up installing a Cummins 4BT. Plenty of room for that even with the radiator in 8 cylinder position. That gives plenty of clearance for a good sized intercooler. I didn't get crazy and change injectors but that engine with bigger turbo, better air distribution, and more fuel is near what a stock 7.3 will put out.
i have checked out what i can put in it and any v8 or less i have a bloke who will do the compliance so no problems there it was the fitting so now i know that's out ill be looking for a cummins or maybe go back to a flathead if i can find one oh well was looking forward to a diesel v8
thank you all for your help saved me a heck of a lot of trouble and time so thank you all again
Stuart
I suspect the T444E or 7.3 Powerstroke. I measured since I have one in my Excursion. It was not going to fit without major surgery. Radiator will need to move forward, accessories hang way off the sides making the front of the engine too wide to fit so inner fenders would need modifying. The turbo sits back where you'd have to cut into the firewall to make some clearance. That becomes problematic with the wiper motor. I ended up installing a Cummins 4BT. Plenty of room for that even with the radiator in 8 cylinder position. That gives plenty of clearance for a good sized intercooler. I didn't get crazy and change injectors but that engine with bigger turbo, better air distribution, and more fuel is near what a stock 7.3 will put out.
just went to your picks mate lovley truck so now looking at yours ill be looking for that cummins how did you go with the mounts and what gearbox did you use thats just what a want to do with mine
cheers for any help
Stuart
Just remember that the Cummins BT6 is a heavy bugger that develops a lot of torque so your will probably have to do some suspension work . . . particularly if it is the turbocharged version. The BT4 fits a little better and is not as heavy.
Just remember that the Cummins BT6 is a heavy bugger that develops a lot of torque so your will probably have to do some suspension work . . . particularly if it is the turbocharged version. The BT4 fits a little better and is not as heavy.
ill keep that in mind but weight is not to much problem as is a truck that was rated to carry gross 18000 pounds and im dropping it to 4000 kgs that's about half and the springs are getting an overhaul plus i don't want a turbo so any motor i get wont have one
cheers for the advice tho i need all i can get. You have a nice truck to
Stuart
Hi Stuart, I made mounting brackets that boxed in the frame section but still bolted on. I used some fluid filled motor mounts. The 4BT has a harsher idle compared to the 6BT. Big 4 cylinders do that. Usually suppressed with counter shafts but Cummins didn't care with the 4BT. Get the idle up around 800 rpm and it's fine. I got a 4BT with a Ford adapter plate and used a ZF5-42. To install the 5-42 I had to move the cross member back and shorten the front driveshaft. They do make a brake kit for the 5-42 but requires replacing the tail housing and cost much as I paid for the new old stock transmission so use a Honda motorcycle rear brake rotor with master cylinder and caliper. Works great for about $60 worth of parts off ebay. To step up the power I bought a 60mm compressor wheel and housing from Gillet. They use the housing and compressor off an HX40 so plenty of air. Turned up the VE pump fuel 2 turns. The single intake hole on the 4BT leads to awful air distribution so made a new plate with dual runners and a plenum to balance the air to all cylinders. It pushes 36 lbs of boost now with fairly even EGT's. It's a pretty stout little 4 cylinder, plenty for my F5.
Stuart, before you bury your dreams you need to look up this guy who is on the 7.3 diesel side of FTE. His screen name is Cleatus12r, he is an expert in 7.3's and just finished putting a 7.3 in a late model Crown Victoria, which he is currently driving. He has stuffed them in several other vehicles as well. Anything can be done if your creative and have the skills or the pocketbook if you can't fabricate. Search his information on the 1999-2003 7.3 area of FTE.
Hi Stuart, I made mounting brackets that boxed in the frame section but still bolted on. I used some fluid filled motor mounts. The 4BT has a harsher idle compared to the 6BT. Big 4 cylinders do that. Usually suppressed with counter shafts but Cummins didn't care with the 4BT. Get the idle up around 800 rpm and it's fine. I got a 4BT with a Ford adapter plate and used a ZF5-42. To install the 5-42 I had to move the cross member back and shorten the front driveshaft. They do make a brake kit for the 5-42 but requires replacing the tail housing and cost much as I paid for the new old stock transmission so use a Honda motorcycle rear brake rotor with master cylinder and caliper. Works great for about $60 worth of parts off ebay. To step up the power I bought a 60mm compressor wheel and housing from Gillet. They use the housing and compressor off an HX40 so plenty of air. Turned up the VE pump fuel 2 turns. The single intake hole on the 4BT leads to awful air distribution so made a new plate with dual runners and a plenum to balance the air to all cylinders. It pushes 36 lbs of boost now with fairly even EGT's. It's a pretty stout little 4 cylinder, plenty for my F5.
that's a lot to take in but i will have to think on it thank you ill see how i go even getting a cummins here been looking and they seem a bit rear but you never know
cheers Stuart
Stuart, before you bury your dreams you need to look up this guy who is on the 7.3 diesel side of FTE. His screen name is Cleatus12r, he is an expert in 7.3's and just finished putting a 7.3 in a late model Crown Victoria, which he is currently driving. He has stuffed them in several other vehicles as well. Anything can be done if your creative and have the skills or the pocketbook if you can't fabricate. Search his information on the 1999-2003 7.3 area of FTE.
Good Luck
i will go look him up thank you for the help
Cheers
Stuart
Yes with the diesel I had to cut and box the firewall for the turbo not a big box but in the area of the heater.
ok thank you i don't have a heater in mine so if its not to much trouble could you get a pic of it for me and are the inner guards ok or is there work to do there
i have to get the motor from the US so i would like to do as much as i can befor it gets here
thanks again
Stuart
