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Ya i dont really want to start it and have it run to hopefully try and save the block. Also with the turbo sucking in oil i dont really want a runaway motor. As of now it looks like i will be tearing it apart and seeing what the problem is. Thanks for all the help and ill keep you guys updated.

if i were to increase hp and make the mileage better if it needs rebuilt what would be a good kit to use?
 
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Checked my pushrods and found out i had a bent rod. Looks similar to a banana but not as curved. I couldnt take the last 2 out on the passenger side because of the ac box is in the way. Any idea on how to check these in the motor or should i pull the ac box?
 
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Whenever I have to work around my AC compressor, I just undo the bracket and try to move it out of the way. The hoses allow for some reasonable movement of the AC parts. That way I don't have to vacate the gas. But I have a van, so I don't know the flexibility of your truck AC lines.
 
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Its the ac box on the firewall that is holding me up. I took a flat peice of steel and held it on the part of rod i could pull out and rotated it to make sure it wasnt bent
 
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Can you disconnect the engine mounts and move the engine to gain more room? I once saved an almost new but out of warranty Ford engine just by replacing two of the pushrods. The engine was a crate replacement and sat for long periods of time. The shop that installed the engine several years earlier said the engine was toast and offered another replacement. So the owner parked it. After a compression test, I removed the valve cover to find two bent pushrods, one each on two cylinders. The crate pushrods were heco en Mexico and half the weight of the replacements from the local dealer. Replacining the two pushrods solved the problem.
 
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Can you disconnect the engine mounts and move the engine to gain more room? I once saved an almost new but out of warranty Ford engine just by replacing two of the pushrods. The engine was a crate replacement and sat for long periods of time. The shop that installed the engine several years earlier said the engine was toast and offered another replacement. So the owner parked it. After a compression test, I removed the valve cover to find two bent pushrods, one each on two cylinders. The crate pushrods were heco en Mexico and half the weight of the replacements from the local dealer. Replacining the two pushrods solved the problem.

Smart move with the engine mounts. I did that to replace the heads on my van with the IDI still in the engine bay.
 
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Thats what i will do is remove the motor mounts and try that. Would the bent rod cause both the knock and the squeak noise?
 
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Keep in mind I made a prognosis over the internet (insert Dr boogie here). If they were all stressed/torqued up I might say yes as they were adding sheer to the rocker arms. I thought it sounded like a dry rocker arm on the spring retainer or as if the surfaces were gauled and the valve stem was worn/damaged and ready to drop.
Those rods must be replaced and at about $14 each is a good starting point. While you are at big a autozone/ advance, pick up a stethoscope for about $25. The stethoscope will practically pinpoint other noises like roller bearings, etc. Rod and mains take a little learning as rods are quick repetitive and mains are slower. Wrist pins- typically stiff, make a similar noise to rods but the noise is not as deep into the block.

I did not hear the knock noise you are referring to, but a sticking injector would make a similar noise and a stethoscope will find that quickly.
With the stethoscope you will be working toward the noise, hold it firmly against the surface (keeps noises true and produces less static that will damage your hearing) and be careful around moving parts.
 
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Somehow I missed this. You can check the straightness of the pushrods by looking at it or by bringing that valve to a closed position and loosening the rockerarm enough to turn the rod. If the pushrods is bent you will see the curve as it is rotated and the rocker arm may move side to side. Best bet is to remove them and check for wear on the ends, rockers, stems, retainers, and stem-hieght/keeper to spring retainer.
Rocker arms should put pressure on/contact the valve stem and not the spring retainer.
 
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The rockers seam to be ok. I have ordered oem pushrods from ford they should be here after a few days, im hoping this fixes my problem
 
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Did you check both sides?
 
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Yep i checked both sides. Every rocker arm has wear marks from where it was pushing down on the springs which im assuming is normal
 
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Every rocker arm has wear marks from where it was pushing down on the springs which im assuming is normal
If your rocker arms are touching the springs you have some serious problems. Either the springs are a larger diameter than appropriate or you're referring to contact with the retainers. If that is the case any rocker showing that wear is very far gone, and the valve likely is trashed as well.
 
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Yep i checked both sides. Every rocker arm has wear marks from where it was pushing down on the springs which im assuming is normal
The rocker should touch the tip of the valve stem and NOT touch the spring retainer. Touching the retainer will likely cause the keepers and the valve stem to wear and eventually the engine will eat the valve. You need to check your clearances. Maybe rockers are worn, or retainers and keepers are damaged. I'd suspect this is your real squeak noise since these surfaces are not machined and polished to permit smooth movement and prohibit wear.
 
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I will take a picture maybe tomorrow but its just a dont and the pin is what they are touching. I didnt see any marks from the spring retainers
 
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