Do I Need a HDPP?
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Do I Need a HDPP?
Hello I will be ordering a 2018 F 150 and really want to get it right.
My requirements I live on a small farm and am a cabinet maker there will be some hauling (not as much as there used to be cutting back)
Towing
Two Horse trailer weight with two animals aprox. 4500 pounds
Travel Trailer Dry weight 4750 GVWR 6500 pounds, 27 foot overall length Ultra Lite trailer so lower then some
Will towing less then 10 % of the time
Daily driven on flat rural highways
I am getting a Screw 4X4 with 6.5 box MTPP still debating 5.0 or 3.5 EB and will spec. LT tires
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Should also order the HDPP package? The only thing I wonder is how much of a MPG penalty will the 3.73 rear diff. make, and will the ride suffer too much as well.
Thanks for the help.
My requirements I live on a small farm and am a cabinet maker there will be some hauling (not as much as there used to be cutting back)
Towing
Two Horse trailer weight with two animals aprox. 4500 pounds
Travel Trailer Dry weight 4750 GVWR 6500 pounds, 27 foot overall length Ultra Lite trailer so lower then some
Will towing less then 10 % of the time
Daily driven on flat rural highways
I am getting a Screw 4X4 with 6.5 box MTPP still debating 5.0 or 3.5 EB and will spec. LT tires
Questions
Should also order the HDPP package? The only thing I wonder is how much of a MPG penalty will the 3.73 rear diff. make, and will the ride suffer too much as well.
Thanks for the help.
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I'd get the 3.73's. The 2018 has 3 overdrives and towing the heaviest trailer will like 7th gear which is 1to 1. Even tho my 2013 was 3.5 Eco and things have changed I really like my new 5.0 where improvements were made too. The 5.0 is rated at a few more HP but the 3.5 has its torque earlier. You will be happy with either. 5.0 is a little less $$$.
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I guess it depends on the definition of "fancy". Our present truck is a Tundra Reg. Cab long box work truck. No power anything. Great truck, but we want the larger cab for the dogs and Grandkids. Toyota has seemed to give up on the Tundra so it's time to go back to Fords.
I was thinking of a XLT 302a, or (if the boss let's me) a Lariet with no other package. Up here in Canada the upgrade to a Lariet makes sense if only for the AWD setting on the 4X4. Both of which can be ordered with the HDPP and MTTP I think.
I was thinking of a XLT 302a, or (if the boss let's me) a Lariet with no other package. Up here in Canada the upgrade to a Lariet makes sense if only for the AWD setting on the 4X4. Both of which can be ordered with the HDPP and MTTP I think.
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In the US you can’t get 302a with the HDPP. You can get a base Lariat with no console. Go into the build and price section then select the HDPP before anything else. Then you can easily see what options Ford will allow with that package.
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The Ford Canada website will allow you to build a base Lariet with the HDPP/MTTP with the console. They make you take both HDPP and MTTP together for 1850.00. You are right about the XLT 302a package not being available. The Canadian base Lariet includes many things that the US base version doesn't. It also costs a lot more as well. The only weird thing it leaves off is running boards.
Anyone own a HDPP and can comment on the ride and MPG
Thanks
Anyone own a HDPP and can comment on the ride and MPG
Thanks
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If you get the 3.5 Eco, 3.55 geasrs will do what you require. Actually they will work with the 5.0 as well but if you are wanting to occasionally pull more I would go with the 3.73 gears on the 5.0, it will pull about 11,000 lbls then. the 3.5 eco with 3.55 gears will pull 12,000. These are rounded off figures before you guy's start jumping all over me!!!
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When towing for me it's the door sticker payload weight that is the factor when towing. If Ford says you can tow 13000 pounds and the payload of the truck is 1700 pounds, with 10-15% tongue weight the driver better be a Jocky or be towing a hay wagon! The HDPP will up the payload but only comes with a 3.73 rear end. All the manufacturers seem to do the same thing, put silly towing capacities and not worry about tongue weights.
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Could only get another couple options to stick - reverse sensing, led spot lights, tow mirrors and step bars, tailgate and box side steps. Anything else seemed to drop HDPP
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I have had one ecoboost with the 3.73 and two with 3.55's. Both 3.55's were in the aluminum bodied truck. The '16 had a 6 speed and the '17 the new 10 speed. I don't see a lot of difference in towing performance between the two rear ends. If you could jump up from a 3.55 to a 4.10 then it might be beneficial. As far as fuel economy goes, I would expect a .5 to 1 mpg drop from the 3.73.
I haven't driven a HDPP but have read several reviews that the ride is rough. Maybe not as bad as a SD but not car like either
Personally I would not get a HDPP for what you are going to tow. My '13, '16 and '17 have all been max tow only. Add some air bags or Super Springs if it drops in the back too much.
Good luck
I haven't driven a HDPP but have read several reviews that the ride is rough. Maybe not as bad as a SD but not car like either
Personally I would not get a HDPP for what you are going to tow. My '13, '16 and '17 have all been max tow only. Add some air bags or Super Springs if it drops in the back too much.
Good luck
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Thanks everyone for all the help, this is a very supportive helpful group.
If I did stay with just the MTTP does anyone have any idea what the door sticker payload capacity would be for a 6.5 foot Screw? (I know it depends on options). I. have heard that the capacity increased for 2018.
Now the loaded question. I like the idea of the 3.5 EB but around here (very rural Ontario) most dealers recommend the 5.0 especially when they find out how long I keep a truck (my Tundra is an 07).
If I did stay with just the MTTP does anyone have any idea what the door sticker payload capacity would be for a 6.5 foot Screw? (I know it depends on options). I. have heard that the capacity increased for 2018.
Now the loaded question. I like the idea of the 3.5 EB but around here (very rural Ontario) most dealers recommend the 5.0 especially when they find out how long I keep a truck (my Tundra is an 07).
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I have a ‘16 HDPP supercab 8’ bed, XLT 301a, 5.0L 3.73, 4x4. Mine rides really nice. Maybe not as good as a non hdpp, but it rides nicer than my wife’s 2013 Sierra 1500 4x4. My last truck was a 2015 F350 CCSB diesel 4x4, so my f150 feels like a car compared to that! I have E rated tires as well, and it still rides nice. At one time, I had installed air bags, but those ruined the ride for sure. I took them out.
As for mileage, Avg is between 14-15L/100km. I’ve seen as good as 8.9. Did a Calgary to Vancouver trip last summer, and I got just under 1100 kms on that tank. 136L tank, but I only filled 120L. Not bad I think!
Towing my travel trailer (4800 dry, 7700 gvw), it uses 19l/100km. My diesel was 21L/100 with the same trailer. I also haul a Polaris RZR 800 trail in the bed a few times a year, along with the trailer, so that’s why I went with the HDPP. Yellow door tag says 2520lbs.
I’ve also had 2 Tundras, a 07, and a 12. My F150 rides nicer than either of those. And I thought the Toyota’s rode nice at the time!
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Thanks for the detailed replies. Those 8 foot bed Supercabs are a rare beast. I once owned a Crew Cab F350 with (get this) an eight foot bed. That thing was a train!
Our trailers are similar in size with my Ultra Light being a little lighter 6500 GVWR, and perhaps a little lower, only 10 feet to the top of the air.
I presently drive a 2007 Tundra, it did ride great but I installed Michlien LT tires (10 plies) and while the everyday ride is OK when towing the jarring over cement expansion strips is tiring.
Does anyone have the door sticker numbers for a 2018 MTTP Screw long wheelbase. I just would like to confirm the rumour that Ford increased the weight rating for 2018.
Our trailers are similar in size with my Ultra Light being a little lighter 6500 GVWR, and perhaps a little lower, only 10 feet to the top of the air.
I presently drive a 2007 Tundra, it did ride great but I installed Michlien LT tires (10 plies) and while the everyday ride is OK when towing the jarring over cement expansion strips is tiring.
Does anyone have the door sticker numbers for a 2018 MTTP Screw long wheelbase. I just would like to confirm the rumour that Ford increased the weight rating for 2018.
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