New idea for ford trucks (or any pickup)
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New idea for ford trucks (or any pickup)
I recently had an idea for a completely new (well kinda) feature that manufactures could start adding to their trucks and that’s rear steering. In the past 1-3 years, there have been quite a few new vehicles that have come out with rear steering. I say kinda new because GM offered this briefly between I believe 02-05 on their trucks and full-size SUV’s. It didn’t sell very well but I think that was directly due to the $4700 price for just that option. In the later years they dropped the price to $1000 but the damage to the stigma around it was already done so that didn’t help much so they dropped it. I think with modern technology allowing it to be done cheaper and better and they offering on far more models, they could add it for around $1500 or so.
My my idea is similar but with a few key differences. I think that they should make this system standard on all trucks and full size SUV’s (expedition, suburban, etc..) because that would lower the cost greatly and really help out the maneuverability of these large vehicles and they might be able to get the price down to just $1000 extra per vehicle. This could be made standard with almost no down sides because nothing on the body would have to change, just the suspension.
But I also have an idea to take it even further. What if they added full degree rear steer? What I mean by that is what if they make it so the rear can turn the same ~39 degrees that the front can? It would cut the turning radius of all of them in half. The problem with this is that GM’s rear steer in the past could only turn 15 degrees because of the wheel wells and you need to maintain at least a 48in gap between the wheel wells in the bed for cargo purposes. But what they could do is add wider fenders like on the raptor or the front of the f450 to both the front and rear and push the tires out to allow it to turn that sharp. It would add only 6in to the width, just like a raptor. This could possibly be offered on all trucks for ~$1500-2000 as an option. This could also do wonders for stability when towing because they could turn in the same direction when at high speeds as well.
So so would you pay $2000 and have a 6in wider truck for half the turning radius? I know I would.
here is GM’s old rear steer:
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My my idea is similar but with a few key differences. I think that they should make this system standard on all trucks and full size SUV’s (expedition, suburban, etc..) because that would lower the cost greatly and really help out the maneuverability of these large vehicles and they might be able to get the price down to just $1000 extra per vehicle. This could be made standard with almost no down sides because nothing on the body would have to change, just the suspension.
But I also have an idea to take it even further. What if they added full degree rear steer? What I mean by that is what if they make it so the rear can turn the same ~39 degrees that the front can? It would cut the turning radius of all of them in half. The problem with this is that GM’s rear steer in the past could only turn 15 degrees because of the wheel wells and you need to maintain at least a 48in gap between the wheel wells in the bed for cargo purposes. But what they could do is add wider fenders like on the raptor or the front of the f450 to both the front and rear and push the tires out to allow it to turn that sharp. It would add only 6in to the width, just like a raptor. This could possibly be offered on all trucks for ~$1500-2000 as an option. This could also do wonders for stability when towing because they could turn in the same direction when at high speeds as well.
So so would you pay $2000 and have a 6in wider truck for half the turning radius? I know I would.
here is GM’s old rear steer:
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I like my rear leaf springs and solid rear axle. It would be like putting the leaf spring front axle from a 99-04 truck in the rear of a new one. I don't know about anyone else but I'm not super keen on it. It's a cool idea, for sure, and I do love the old quadrasteer trucks, but I would absolutely not want it on my truck. If I wanted a tighter turning radius I would be more interested in seeing the F450 front axle and a wider track SRW rear end get some use on 250 and 350 trucks. My thoughts...
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It really wouldn’t be that complicated and would make turning that much better and could do wonders for high speed stability especially when towing.
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I like my rear leaf springs and solid rear axle. It would be like putting the leaf spring front axle from a 99-04 truck in the rear of a new one. I don't know about anyone else but I'm not super keen on it. It's a cool idea, for sure, and I do love the old quadrasteer trucks, but I would absolutely not want it on my truck. If I wanted a tighter turning radius I would be more interested in seeing the F450 front axle and a wider track SRW rear end get some use on 250 and 350 trucks. My thoughts...
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the problem is the added weight of all that crap. It subtracts off the GAWR and decreases cargo capacity. You give up too much to gain very little.
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I will say, like I said in my op, there are starting to be tons of models with rear steer and they keep growing in numbers. And they are “daily drivers”.
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Copied from my response in the first thread:
The price drop was due to unsold inventory and parts in the supply line. They lost their butts on every truck sold.
To make this work requires a complete redesign of the rear of the truck. There has to be room in the bodywork to accommodate the steering angles. The entire rear axle has to be redesigned with full floater hubs and CV joints. Plus the steering gear.
Its heavy, it reduces the truck's payload, increases alignment issues, liability issues and maintenance issues. And its expensive.
While the increased maneuverability is good, the costs and compromises are a significant downside. Personally, I don't need the additional maneuverability and don't want the complexity. But then my truck lives on the interstate pulling a heavy trailer.
Additional response: Look under the front and rear ends of your truck. Now consider what would have to be moved to make room for steering angle and then "full steering angle". That's a lot. Packaging is going to be a nightmare and $2000 probably won't cover production costs let alone retail pricing.
I see way more issues than benefits. Most of us are just fine with the current truck's maneuverability. Sure it would be nice to tighten up the radius but I can live with what I have. I am not sure I want the compromise. Its a truck. I want it to be good at being a truck.
The price drop was due to unsold inventory and parts in the supply line. They lost their butts on every truck sold.
To make this work requires a complete redesign of the rear of the truck. There has to be room in the bodywork to accommodate the steering angles. The entire rear axle has to be redesigned with full floater hubs and CV joints. Plus the steering gear.
Its heavy, it reduces the truck's payload, increases alignment issues, liability issues and maintenance issues. And its expensive.
While the increased maneuverability is good, the costs and compromises are a significant downside. Personally, I don't need the additional maneuverability and don't want the complexity. But then my truck lives on the interstate pulling a heavy trailer.
Additional response: Look under the front and rear ends of your truck. Now consider what would have to be moved to make room for steering angle and then "full steering angle". That's a lot. Packaging is going to be a nightmare and $2000 probably won't cover production costs let alone retail pricing.
I see way more issues than benefits. Most of us are just fine with the current truck's maneuverability. Sure it would be nice to tighten up the radius but I can live with what I have. I am not sure I want the compromise. Its a truck. I want it to be good at being a truck.
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Copied from my response in the first thread:
The price drop was due to unsold inventory and parts in the supply line. They lost their butts on every truck sold.
To make this work requires a complete redesign of the rear of the truck. There has to be room in the bodywork to accommodate the steering angles. The entire rear axle has to be redesigned with full floater hubs and CV joints. Plus the steering gear.
Its heavy, it reduces the truck's payload, increases alignment issues, liability issues and maintenance issues. And its expensive.
While the increased maneuverability is good, the costs and compromises are a significant downside. Personally, I don't need the additional maneuverability and don't want the complexity. But then my truck lives on the interstate pulling a heavy trailer.
Additional response: Look under the front and rear ends of your truck. Now consider what would have to be moved to make room for steering angle and then "full steering angle". That's a lot. Packaging is going to be a nightmare and $2000 probably won't cover production costs let alone retail pricing.
I see way more issues than benefits. Most of us are just fine with the current truck's maneuverability. Sure it would be nice to tighten up the radius but I can live with what I have. I am not sure I want the compromise. Its a truck. I want it to be good at being a truck.
The price drop was due to unsold inventory and parts in the supply line. They lost their butts on every truck sold.
To make this work requires a complete redesign of the rear of the truck. There has to be room in the bodywork to accommodate the steering angles. The entire rear axle has to be redesigned with full floater hubs and CV joints. Plus the steering gear.
Its heavy, it reduces the truck's payload, increases alignment issues, liability issues and maintenance issues. And its expensive.
While the increased maneuverability is good, the costs and compromises are a significant downside. Personally, I don't need the additional maneuverability and don't want the complexity. But then my truck lives on the interstate pulling a heavy trailer.
Additional response: Look under the front and rear ends of your truck. Now consider what would have to be moved to make room for steering angle and then "full steering angle". That's a lot. Packaging is going to be a nightmare and $2000 probably won't cover production costs let alone retail pricing.
I see way more issues than benefits. Most of us are just fine with the current truck's maneuverability. Sure it would be nice to tighten up the radius but I can live with what I have. I am not sure I want the compromise. Its a truck. I want it to be good at being a truck.
R&D, complexity, maintenance and reliability far outweigh any maneuverability benefits.
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Thrust angle.
Anyone who has had that issue will definitely run away from rear steer anything. Such a system would have to be fully active with inertia sensors to constantly adjust and keep the rear tracking straight every time the rear end joints wear out of spec. Too much computer intervention and the check engine light turns on. $2000 joint and alignment bill.
All of the simple setups, GM, Mitsubishi, failed miserably. It would literally be easier to hydraulically drop a electric Dyson Ball type thing down to lift the rear of the truck and use front wheel drive while the rear swings wildly into a parking spot. And that's pretty darn weird.
Trucks are designed to maneuver with trailers anyway. Something rear steer would be useless for.
Anyone who has had that issue will definitely run away from rear steer anything. Such a system would have to be fully active with inertia sensors to constantly adjust and keep the rear tracking straight every time the rear end joints wear out of spec. Too much computer intervention and the check engine light turns on. $2000 joint and alignment bill.
All of the simple setups, GM, Mitsubishi, failed miserably. It would literally be easier to hydraulically drop a electric Dyson Ball type thing down to lift the rear of the truck and use front wheel drive while the rear swings wildly into a parking spot. And that's pretty darn weird.
Trucks are designed to maneuver with trailers anyway. Something rear steer would be useless for.