1977 F250 Crew Cab Short Bed Restoration
#16
Only descent gm engine is anything with that lsx block! Reason being gm did not design it, gm can't design there way out of a paper bag and should have been put out of business in 1978.
Would rather see you install a dutsan l20b engine in that beautiful truck of yours. Use that LS crap for target practice.
Would rather see you install a dutsan l20b engine in that beautiful truck of yours. Use that LS crap for target practice.
#17
A blown LS, oh hell yah! I understand the desire for heritage and brand loyalty but if you are willing to put in the time to bring one of these old crews back from the dead, you can out any damn engine you want in it. Those that want to stay ford power can find their own and just go ahead and do that. I threw a Cummins in mine and it sees WAY more road time than it would have with a 7mpg big block ford. Beauty is in the holder of the keys and wallet so all the power to you and post a lot of pics!
#18
If either of you need help with mounts I can help you make them on a cnc plasma table for cheap.
For my 74 Highboy / LS (technically LT because its 2015) engine swap, I made plates for $10 that made it an easy bolt in deal.
Check out pictures here:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...boy-4x4-2.html
#19
If either of you need help with mounts I can help you make them on a cnc plasma table for cheap.
For my 74 Highboy / LS (technically LT because its 2015) engine swap, I made plates for $10 that made it an easy bolt in deal.
Check out pictures here:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...boy-4x4-2.html
For my 74 Highboy / LS (technically LT because its 2015) engine swap, I made plates for $10 that made it an easy bolt in deal.
Check out pictures here:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...boy-4x4-2.html
#20
Just curious about the cost difference between LS and Coyote.
Here is my cost breakdown for the Coyote:
Motor/trans/transfer case from '15-newer F-150 ~$7000
Wiring $1500
Pulley setup for power steering and AC $800
Supercharger kit (Whipple or Roush or..) $7000
That should be 680-725hp.
Everything else would be basically the same costs.
Custom radiator, Custom motor/trans mounts, custom driveshafts, custom intake, custom exhaust, modern digital gauges, etc
The larger displacement LS is definitely going to have more torque and thus be better for towing, but either way, 700hp is plenty and will be a fun truck. I plan to daily drive mine with this setup.
Here is my cost breakdown for the Coyote:
Motor/trans/transfer case from '15-newer F-150 ~$7000
Wiring $1500
Pulley setup for power steering and AC $800
Supercharger kit (Whipple or Roush or..) $7000
That should be 680-725hp.
Everything else would be basically the same costs.
Custom radiator, Custom motor/trans mounts, custom driveshafts, custom intake, custom exhaust, modern digital gauges, etc
The larger displacement LS is definitely going to have more torque and thus be better for towing, but either way, 700hp is plenty and will be a fun truck. I plan to daily drive mine with this setup.
#21
Just curious about the cost difference between LS and Coyote.
Here is my cost breakdown for the Coyote:
Motor/trans/transfer case from '15-newer F-150 ~$7000
Wiring $1500
Pulley setup for power steering and AC $800
Supercharger kit (Whipple or Roush or..) $7000
That should be 680-725hp.
Everything else would be basically the same costs.
Custom radiator, Custom motor/trans mounts, custom driveshafts, custom intake, custom exhaust, modern digital gauges, etc
The larger displacement LS is definitely going to have more torque and thus be better for towing, but either way, 700hp is plenty and will be a fun truck. I plan to daily drive mine with this setup.
Here is my cost breakdown for the Coyote:
Motor/trans/transfer case from '15-newer F-150 ~$7000
Wiring $1500
Pulley setup for power steering and AC $800
Supercharger kit (Whipple or Roush or..) $7000
That should be 680-725hp.
Everything else would be basically the same costs.
Custom radiator, Custom motor/trans mounts, custom driveshafts, custom intake, custom exhaust, modern digital gauges, etc
The larger displacement LS is definitely going to have more torque and thus be better for towing, but either way, 700hp is plenty and will be a fun truck. I plan to daily drive mine with this setup.
Tuning a chevy engine is much easier. Finding someone who can tune a newer ford to run standalone is not easy or cheap. In my 2015 Chevy 5.3 I spent $650 on HPtuners, wired the original harness for standalone for about $200 (including a few sensors) and was able to avoid paying any shops to tune it. It was a headache of course but its running. I called HPtuners and they said they don't have anything to support newer ford stuff.
There are many more (and cheaper) parts options for chevy whether you're doing a rebuild or want different exhaust headers or a different intake or anything else.
I penciled it all out before my swap, and it was roughly $5,000 more to go the 5.0 from an f150 route versus a 5.3 from a 2015 Silverado. Not saying its not worth it, but with the power steering, tuning, wiring, cost of engine and trans, cost of replacement parts if something goes wrong, its a significant difference. I did get a screaming deal on my 5.3, so that was a good chunk of that 5k price difference.
#22
What if you got a "screaming deal" on the Coyote to start with? Like for instance, bought a complete wrecked truck for around $3500, took the parts you needed, and sold the rest.
I know I left a few things off my list (like tuning), but my point is that it probably comes out pretty close. I have seen a couple Ford's of this vintage with LS motors --I have nothing against that. It is always cool to use whatever parts you have to build something no one else has. If you get a deal on an LS, cool. If you get a deal on a Coyote, same thing.
I just want to know if it is really going to cost less one way or the other if the average guy doesn't get a "screaming deal" to force him one way or the other. That is the value of this thread for future people who read it. Personally, I would pay more to stay all Ford.
I know I left a few things off my list (like tuning), but my point is that it probably comes out pretty close. I have seen a couple Ford's of this vintage with LS motors --I have nothing against that. It is always cool to use whatever parts you have to build something no one else has. If you get a deal on an LS, cool. If you get a deal on a Coyote, same thing.
I just want to know if it is really going to cost less one way or the other if the average guy doesn't get a "screaming deal" to force him one way or the other. That is the value of this thread for future people who read it. Personally, I would pay more to stay all Ford.
#23
What if you got a "screaming deal" on the Coyote to start with? Like for instance, bought a complete wrecked truck for around $3500, took the parts you needed, and sold the rest.
I know I left a few things off my list (like tuning), but my point is that it probably comes out pretty close. I have seen a couple Ford's of this vintage with LS motors --I have nothing against that. It is always cool to use whatever parts you have to build something no one else has. If you get a deal on an LS, cool. If you get a deal on a Coyote, same thing.
I just want to know if it is really going to cost less one way or the other if the average guy doesn't get a "screaming deal" to force him one way or the other. That is the value of this thread for future people who read it. Personally, I would pay more to stay all Ford.
I know I left a few things off my list (like tuning), but my point is that it probably comes out pretty close. I have seen a couple Ford's of this vintage with LS motors --I have nothing against that. It is always cool to use whatever parts you have to build something no one else has. If you get a deal on an LS, cool. If you get a deal on a Coyote, same thing.
I just want to know if it is really going to cost less one way or the other if the average guy doesn't get a "screaming deal" to force him one way or the other. That is the value of this thread for future people who read it. Personally, I would pay more to stay all Ford.
You're right that most of the price difference is just getting the engine and trans to show up at your door on a pallet. I paid 2500 for my chevy engine, trans, wiring, and computer with low miles. No transfer case because of the divorced transfer case being reused. I would have gone ford if I would have found that $3500 wrecked f150. But after a few months of shopping around I didn't find any good ford deals.
And as someone with a chevy engine in my ford.... you do have to sell your soul just a little bit lol so all things the same I would have gone ford too
#24
What if you got a "screaming deal" on the Coyote to start with? Like for instance, bought a complete wrecked truck for around $3500, took the parts you needed, and sold the rest.
I know I left a few things off my list (like tuning), but my point is that it probably comes out pretty close. I have seen a couple Ford's of this vintage with LS motors --I have nothing against that. It is always cool to use whatever parts you have to build something no one else has. If you get a deal on an LS, cool. If you get a deal on a Coyote, same thing.
I just want to know if it is really going to cost less one way or the other if the average guy doesn't get a "screaming deal" to force him one way or the other. That is the value of this thread for future people who read it. Personally, I would pay more to stay all Ford.
I know I left a few things off my list (like tuning), but my point is that it probably comes out pretty close. I have seen a couple Ford's of this vintage with LS motors --I have nothing against that. It is always cool to use whatever parts you have to build something no one else has. If you get a deal on an LS, cool. If you get a deal on a Coyote, same thing.
I just want to know if it is really going to cost less one way or the other if the average guy doesn't get a "screaming deal" to force him one way or the other. That is the value of this thread for future people who read it. Personally, I would pay more to stay all Ford.