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Old Jan 1, 2018 | 10:03 AM
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Would 1 or 2 teeth be enough for it not to start?
Yes, even more so in the cold weather when it's even harder to start a well running engine.
 
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Old Jan 1, 2018 | 10:37 AM
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Did the 03 have cam phaser?
 
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Old Jan 1, 2018 | 12:02 PM
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Did some research and I guess I don't have cam phaser. So I'm back to the previous question. Is it possible for the timing chain to skip teeth without me knowing? Without hearing anything?
 
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Old Jan 1, 2018 | 12:59 PM
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From what I was reading, this seems like it could be a cam phaser issue. Does that make sense?
Does your 2003 even have cam phasers?


I suspect your chain has jumped a tooth or two.
 
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Old Jan 1, 2018 | 01:00 PM
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Wouldn't I have noticed a noise or something?
 
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Old Jan 1, 2018 | 10:18 PM
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I was just thinking about it and it's late so I can't do anything about it tonight but could a bad oil pressure switch be the culprit?
 
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Old Jan 2, 2018 | 12:08 AM
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bad oil pressure wont prevent start, though it could increase wear on the engine which leads to bad compression. But, you also get bad compression from wrong timing. If you redo the compression test, first dry then a wet test, meaning squirt a little engine oil into the cylinder then do a new compression test and see if it changes. This is one way to find out if the bad compression is due to worn rings or if it's the heads/valves. Check also other cylinders to see if the compression is the same on others. Any compression under 100 psi would be below spec.
 
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Old Jan 2, 2018 | 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Skauber
bad oil pressure wont prevent start, though it could increase wear on the engine which leads to bad compression. But, you also get bad compression from wrong timing. If you redo the compression test, first dry then a wet test, meaning squirt a little engine oil into the cylinder then do a new compression test and see if it changes. This is one way to find out if the bad compression is due to worn rings or if it's the heads/valves. Check also other cylinders to see if the compression is the same on others. Any compression under 100 psi would be below spec.

I'll redo the compression test tomorrow. I think it's out of time also because of the backfire from the throttle body. But is it possible that It got out of time without me knowing it? When everything first happened it was all really smooth. No jerking or running bad.
 
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Old Jan 2, 2018 | 01:11 PM
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Impossible to say, weird things can happen. The only way to find out is to identify if it's rings or heads/valves, then take the valve covers off to inspect the chain.

Not sure if it has cam sensors since it's a 2v engine without cam phasers, but if it does have cam sensors you can use a scantool to check if the timing is correct or not. It may require a higher grade scantool than your typical DIY scantool.
 
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Pulled of drives side valve cover. Lower chain guide is broke and 1 rocker arm sitting out of place in the head. #@#$"#$:$"
 
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Pulled of drives side valve cover. Lower chain guide is broke and 1 rocker arm sitting out of place in the head. #@#$"#$:$"
How did it do that without you knowing it?
 
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Old Jan 3, 2018 | 09:33 AM
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I have no idea. There was no noise when I happened and it didn't run rough at all.
 
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