Excursion - King of SUVs 2000 - 2005 Ford Excursion
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

7.3 runs cold...I think :/

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 11-07-2017, 01:25 PM
Thorvald's Avatar
Thorvald
Thorvald is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Norway
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
7.3 runs cold...I think :/

Well my 7.3 don't really like the cold weather up her in the cold north.
It seems to take forever to get up to working temp. The temp gauge don't go past 1/4. I was told this is some what normal for these engines.
But the main problem for me is the regen/idle up function. No matter how long I drive or run the engine, if I put it in park for more then 2 minutes it idles up and stays there until I touch the brake, throttle or put it in gear.
In my mind I have concluded that there might be a faulty temp sensor and maybe the termostat is stuck open, but my mind is wrong most of the time Any thoughts?
 
  #2  
Old 11-07-2017, 02:32 PM
pirate4x4_camo's Avatar
pirate4x4_camo
pirate4x4_camo is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Northern California
Posts: 8,258
Received 325 Likes on 246 Posts
Thought:

The factory gauges are not very good. Get a way to monitor actual tenpatures.
The trans temp is notoriously bad. It will sit on 1/2 right up to the point of your trans burning up.

You can get a few different apps that use a blue tooth dongle and display all the temps on a mobile device.
 
  #3  
Old 11-07-2017, 03:59 PM
Thorvald's Avatar
Thorvald
Thorvald is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Norway
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I have had it hocked up to two different Bluetooth obdII dongles and they both read -40 degrees for coolant temp. This was eBay dongles together with the torque app. Not sure if it's the app, the dongle or the 7.3's temp sensor. As I get a reading at the gauge cluster, makes believe that there either are two sensors, one for the gauge and one for the computer, or the sensor is OK. But the idle up function still goes all crazy at idle, and I don't think it should act that way when the engine reaches the correct temperature
 
  #4  
Old 11-07-2017, 04:13 PM
andym's Avatar
andym
andym is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Bonita Springs FL
Posts: 19,402
Received 27 Likes on 27 Posts
Is your EBPV intact or has it been gutted/removed? That helps with engine warm-up quite a bit in colder temperatures.

Next... the factory gauge is kind of worthless if you want to know the exact temp. The easiest way to get an accurate reading is to use an infrared thermometer. They are less than $20 on amazon and insanely useful. The gauge and the computer use two separate senders.

Last, there is no such thing as a regen on a 7.3L. The idle should remain steady, so you have something going on that's causing that behavior. I don't think it's normal for the idle to go up after idling for 2 mins. Has the truck ever been tuned?
 
  #5  
Old 11-07-2017, 04:17 PM
brandon_oma#692's Avatar
brandon_oma#692
brandon_oma#692 is offline
Fleet Mechanic
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Northern Illinois
Posts: 1,777
Likes: 0
Received 24 Likes on 11 Posts
You will not see coolant temp thru the pcm. Look at engine oil temp.
 
  #6  
Old 11-07-2017, 04:47 PM
Thorvald's Avatar
Thorvald
Thorvald is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Norway
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by andym

Last, there is no such thing as a regen on a 7.3L. The idle should remain steady, so you have something going on that's causing that behavior. I don't think it's normal for the idle to go up after idling for 2 mins. Has the truck ever been tuned?
Strange, tapping the brakes or throttle makes the rpm go back to normal, but I see now that the information I read was for the 6.4.

Do you know where the sender for the computer is located?

EBPV is intact and functioning
 
  #7  
Old 11-07-2017, 06:40 PM
brandon_oma#692's Avatar
brandon_oma#692
brandon_oma#692 is offline
Fleet Mechanic
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Northern Illinois
Posts: 1,777
Likes: 0
Received 24 Likes on 11 Posts
The ebpv closing will make it idle high. Hitting the brake cancels it. Someone else can explain it better. I removed it
 
  #8  
Old 11-07-2017, 09:19 PM
agsmv1's Avatar
agsmv1
agsmv1 is offline
Posting Guru
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Loveland,CO
Posts: 1,394
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Thorvald
Strange, tapping the brakes or throttle makes the rpm go back to normal, but I see now that the information I read was for the 6.4.

Do you know where the sender for the computer is located?

EBPV is intact and functioning
Idling up in the cold is a normal function. Mine does it all the time. Runs for a few minutes and then idles up. Tap on the brakes and back to normal. Does it with or without the chip.
 
  #9  
Old 11-07-2017, 10:50 PM
Nicmike's Avatar
Nicmike
Nicmike is offline
Veteran/Sheepdog

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Western AR
Posts: 6,025
Received 94 Likes on 66 Posts
It should stop "idling up" once the engine reaches a certain temperature. I can't remember what that is off the top of my head, but I can look it up when I get home in a couple of hours. The computer measures oil temp and outside air temp (thermostat is in the intake air box), and decides whether the truck needs help warming up or not. I have removed my EBP as well, and my truck still idles up when it is below 40* F outside. I touch the brake or throttle, and it goes back to normal idle.

Since you live in the great white north, Thorvald, you might need to put some kind of air dam on the front of your truck to block the air from coming in on the radiator. I don't know how cold it is there right now, but many guys here in far north America have to block the wind from their radiators in the winter or the truck cannot get up to operating temperature. It is possible your thermostat is malfunctioning and not letting the truck warm up. Maybe stuck open...

Amazon Amazon
 
  #10  
Old 11-08-2017, 12:28 AM
Thorvald's Avatar
Thorvald
Thorvald is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Norway
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thank you all! I will try and get hold of another scan tool today, and read the oil temp. I don't really trust that eBay dongle at all. I think it has something with the engine not reaching the correct temp or the sender not reading it correctly. I did contact the previous owner after my last post, and it seems like it has a SCT economy tune. But that should have nothing to do with the idle up/temp problem. I would appreciate the info on the idle up temp if it's not to much trouble.
We are down to 27 F up here at the moment, but we do see 18 F at night
 
  #11  
Old 11-08-2017, 09:37 AM
Thorvald's Avatar
Thorvald
Thorvald is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Norway
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Then I have had it hooked up to a scantool, and after a longer run, the engine oil temp only reads 149* F when it reaches the usual spot on the coolent temp gauge.
It will never go beyond that point on the gage.
 
  #12  
Old 11-08-2017, 10:53 AM
Nicmike's Avatar
Nicmike
Nicmike is offline
Veteran/Sheepdog

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Western AR
Posts: 6,025
Received 94 Likes on 66 Posts
I found the info:







 
  #13  
Old 11-08-2017, 11:02 AM
Nicmike's Avatar
Nicmike
Nicmike is offline
Veteran/Sheepdog

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Western AR
Posts: 6,025
Received 94 Likes on 66 Posts
Get this book if you own a 7.3l Excursion. Make sure you get the correct year.

 
  #14  
Old 11-08-2017, 12:30 PM
Thorvald's Avatar
Thorvald
Thorvald is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Norway
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thank you so much! That helped a lot making me understand how it functions! And I'm now sure that my engine is running to cold. But how in the world do I fix it....
I will begin with a winter cover, followed by a termostat and sensor change.
 
  #15  
Old 11-08-2017, 02:05 PM
Nicmike's Avatar
Nicmike
Nicmike is offline
Veteran/Sheepdog

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Western AR
Posts: 6,025
Received 94 Likes on 66 Posts
Happy to help out. The cover I linked to on Amazon above is just an example and NOT the right one for your truck. You will have to search a little for the right one.
 


Quick Reply: 7.3 runs cold...I think :/



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:45 PM.