V6? Really?
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V6? Really?
Call me old fashioned but I did try out and was impressed with the power and torque of the 3.5 ecoboost engine. But, I purchased the 5.0 V8. I'm a believer that heat is the culprit that wears out an engine. The ecoboost does what other turbo engines have always done, push exhaust air down the throat of a small engine to make big power. The only problem is the shortened life of the engine.I bought the 5.0 V8 engine in my new 2017 XLT 4X4 because I like the power, the growl the engine has and most of all because I believe it will be a reliable engine for 200k+. And by reliable I mean no maintenance other than oil, filter, fluid flushes and air filters. Ford has done a good job at pushing the 6's and they are planning on dropping the V8 in the F150. I'm sorry but that is a big mistake. Time will tell if I'm wrong, but I would bet that I'm right on this one.
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i don't know if you're right. I do know that turbos don't work by pushing exhaust air down the throats of motors.
If you are against turbos....you'll want to avoid nearly every diesel motor you can possible find in a modern vehicle....including those big 18-wheelers. I suppose all diesel motors are also smaller than they would be without turbos, but they seem to be doing okay racking up miles.
Having said that, if you want to run something for hundreds of thousands of miles, it seems logical to go with the least complicated option. That also includes all the techno-wizardry on anything nicer than a basic XL model.
If you are against turbos....you'll want to avoid nearly every diesel motor you can possible find in a modern vehicle....including those big 18-wheelers. I suppose all diesel motors are also smaller than they would be without turbos, but they seem to be doing okay racking up miles.
Having said that, if you want to run something for hundreds of thousands of miles, it seems logical to go with the least complicated option. That also includes all the techno-wizardry on anything nicer than a basic XL model.
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From: Burleson, Tx
That the nice thing about this place, we can all have an opinion. I've had two turbo vehicles befor this and sold one with 140k and the other with 238k and neither had engine work done. Not even turbo. And the one with 140 was a 2liter inline 4 with near 400hp and was driven hard every day - if I drove nice would still get over 30mpg. Only sold it because I wanted a new toy so I bought the truck.
Good luck on your journey and enjoy!
Good luck on your journey and enjoy!
Believe Nothing
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From: W. Central FL.
Call me old fashion but I can remember the argument that V8s caused the cylinders to wear egg shaped and the OHV Chevies made too much valve noise. The only engine worth buying was the side valve like Dodge, Plymouth, Studebaker, and a few others.
Laughing Gas
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Call me old fashioned but I did try out and was impressed with the power and torque of the 3.5 ecoboost engine. But, I purchased the 5.0 V8. I'm a believer that heat is the culprit that wears out an engine. The ecoboost does what other turbo engines have always done, push exhaust air down the throat of a small engine to make big power. The only problem is the shortened life of the engine.I bought the 5.0 V8 engine in my new 2017 XLT 4X4 because I like the power, the growl the engine has and most of all because I believe it will be a reliable engine for 200k+. And by reliable I mean no maintenance other than oil, filter, fluid flushes and air filters. Ford has done a good job at pushing the 6's and they are planning on dropping the V8 in the F150. I'm sorry but that is a big mistake. Time will tell if I'm wrong, but I would bet that I'm right on this one.
Good luck with the new truck.
I hope it gives you many happy trouble free miles.
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Nope--he's too smart for something like this.
We've seen this before. Many, many times. A new member shows up with a major problem or issue related to Ford (or comes to complain), makes one post, and is never seen again.
I call them Tokyo Roses. They come to drop our morality, but never put up a fight or reply to defend their argument. They just make a baseless accusation regarding the forum's theme in some way (Ford trucks).
I think it's a pretty fitting nickname:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Rose
In the past, we've had posts regarding engine failures, severe underbody rust, aluminum punctures, etc. Every poster was new, and they all made one post.
It's pretty brilliant, really. These posts show up in searches by potential Ford truck buyers, and are scared off by an issue that doesn't exist. It even makes us question the integrity and reliability of our own trucks (until we realize it's a fake issue).
We've seen this before. Many, many times. A new member shows up with a major problem or issue related to Ford (or comes to complain), makes one post, and is never seen again.
I call them Tokyo Roses. They come to drop our morality, but never put up a fight or reply to defend their argument. They just make a baseless accusation regarding the forum's theme in some way (Ford trucks).
I think it's a pretty fitting nickname:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Rose
In the past, we've had posts regarding engine failures, severe underbody rust, aluminum punctures, etc. Every poster was new, and they all made one post.
It's pretty brilliant, really. These posts show up in searches by potential Ford truck buyers, and are scared off by an issue that doesn't exist. It even makes us question the integrity and reliability of our own trucks (until we realize it's a fake issue).
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Well ponder this my truck needs new steering rack $2K bill also just noticed a slight drip from front of engine looks like it might be a water pump this is on a truck with 57k miles...seriously considering leaving the Ford family.
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Laughing Gas
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From: Fountain Valley
I've had pickups since my first one in HS in 1959. I'll only talk of the last 4; all were new Fords and there were none before the first new one a 1996 F-150 with a 5.8. This was my favorite one to date. I replaced it with a 2004 F-250 diesel that was beginning its first problem, which was a turbo, in 2013. Over all an Excellant truck which could do everything I asked it to do. It was replaced with a new 3.5 Eco that had all the power you could ask for but always ran too hot for me especially when towing #8000. If I would have known about oil separators I might have kept it but I just replaced it with an 18 5.0. I cannot believe the fuel milage I'm getting so far. Any freeway speeds are at 24/25 and combo on the tank is 18/19. The sound of the V8 is refreshing and stepping out to pass at 65 is just as good as the twin turbo as expected as it has more horsepower. I know Ford is leading away from them but it will be a sorry day if they are gone. Mustang sales will go in the tank.
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No sir, I'm not going to allow it.
Both engines have their place and I'd proudly own either one.
But I'll share with you what I'm seeing more of; I have a customer on my mail route who owned a 2013 F-150 5.0L. He had all kinds of issue with the truck overall and traded for a 2016 F-150 5.0L. The truck started to develop issues with a squeak in the steering. In and out of the shop under warranty. Finally the dealer threw their hands up in the air and said that this is normal and to basically not bother them with this issue again.
So, my very good customer said, "as you wish" and marched his behind straight to the Toyota dealer and bought a used 2014 tundra with only 10K miles on it.
He's not the only one on my route who has done this. It's a shame but I'm sure that all truck builders are gaining and losing customers for the same reasons.
Both engines have their place and I'd proudly own either one.
But I'll share with you what I'm seeing more of; I have a customer on my mail route who owned a 2013 F-150 5.0L. He had all kinds of issue with the truck overall and traded for a 2016 F-150 5.0L. The truck started to develop issues with a squeak in the steering. In and out of the shop under warranty. Finally the dealer threw their hands up in the air and said that this is normal and to basically not bother them with this issue again.
So, my very good customer said, "as you wish" and marched his behind straight to the Toyota dealer and bought a used 2014 tundra with only 10K miles on it.
He's not the only one on my route who has done this. It's a shame but I'm sure that all truck builders are gaining and losing customers for the same reasons.
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In and out of the shop under warranty. Finally the dealer threw their hands up in the air and said that this is normal and to basically not bother them with this issue again.
......................... It's a shame but I'm sure that all truck builders are gaining and losing customers for the same reasons.
I think this will continue. In the 'old days' every decent shop had a couple of guys that were particularly good at 'figuring stuff out' when an odd problem showed up. They would think it through and track it down. Sometimes it required replacing a suspect part or two that didn't solve the issue...but they always ended up getting to the root of the problem.
Today, if the vehicle isn't throwing codes and the issue isn't documented by the manufacturer....they are at a loss. They just don't know what to do. Sometimes, the manufacturer makes it worse by not allowing warranty claims by the dealer if they try to throw parts at it to fix the problem.
It's a different world in the shops today. I'm not saying the new guys aren't smart, but I think they are being trained to only fix stuff that the manufacturer has issued procedures for fixing. The shops seem to be lacking those old guys who could figure out anything.
Laughing Gas
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From: Port huron MI
No sir, I'm not going to allow it.
Both engines have their place and I'd proudly own either one.
But I'll share with you what I'm seeing more of; I have a customer on my mail route who owned a 2013 F-150 5.0L. He had all kinds of issue with the truck overall and traded for a 2016 F-150 5.0L. The truck started to develop issues with a squeak in the steering. In and out of the shop under warranty. Finally the dealer threw their hands up in the air and said that this is normal and to basically not bother them with this issue again.
So, my very good customer said, "as you wish" and marched his behind straight to the Toyota dealer and bought a used 2014 tundra with only 10K miles on it.
He's not the only one on my route who has done this. It's a shame but I'm sure that all truck builders are gaining and losing customers for the same reasons.
Both engines have their place and I'd proudly own either one.
But I'll share with you what I'm seeing more of; I have a customer on my mail route who owned a 2013 F-150 5.0L. He had all kinds of issue with the truck overall and traded for a 2016 F-150 5.0L. The truck started to develop issues with a squeak in the steering. In and out of the shop under warranty. Finally the dealer threw their hands up in the air and said that this is normal and to basically not bother them with this issue again.
So, my very good customer said, "as you wish" and marched his behind straight to the Toyota dealer and bought a used 2014 tundra with only 10K miles on it.
He's not the only one on my route who has done this. It's a shame but I'm sure that all truck builders are gaining and losing customers for the same reasons.
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I think this will continue. In the 'old days' every decent shop had a couple of guys that were particularly good at 'figuring stuff out' when an odd problem showed up. They would think it through and track it down. Sometimes it required replacing a suspect part or two that didn't solve the issue...but they always ended up getting to the root of the problem.
Today, if the vehicle isn't throwing codes and the issue isn't documented by the manufacturer....they are at a loss. They just don't know what to do. Sometimes, the manufacturer makes it worse by not allowing warranty claims by the dealer if they try to throw parts at it to fix the problem.
It's a different world in the shops today. I'm not saying the new guys aren't smart, but I think they are being trained to only fix stuff that the manufacturer has issued procedures for fixing. The shops seem to be lacking those old guys who could figure out anything.
Today, if the vehicle isn't throwing codes and the issue isn't documented by the manufacturer....they are at a loss. They just don't know what to do. Sometimes, the manufacturer makes it worse by not allowing warranty claims by the dealer if they try to throw parts at it to fix the problem.
It's a different world in the shops today. I'm not saying the new guys aren't smart, but I think they are being trained to only fix stuff that the manufacturer has issued procedures for fixing. The shops seem to be lacking those old guys who could figure out anything.
The dealerships don't pay well, and they screw their technicians on warranty times. So naturally they have trouble attracting and retaining talent. I'm a former dealership tech, so I have lots of friends who were in the trade. Nearly all have left for greener pastures. I make far more money now, and I don't get dirty, scrape up my hands every day, have a tool bill every week, get rust and grease in my hair, breath brake dust, exhaust fumes, and other toxic crap, etc. You couldn't pay me enough to consider going back.
And the shortage of quality techs will likely get worse before it gets better, since they refuse to address the number one problem: warranty rates that are stealing from their technicians. If you want people to deal with the crap that a tech deals with every day, you damn well better pay them well....which they refuse to do.
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In the past, we've had posts regarding engine failures, severe underbody rust, aluminum punctures, etc. Every poster was new, and they all made one post.
It's pretty brilliant, really. These posts show up in searches by potential Ford truck buyers, and are scared off by an issue that doesn't exist. It even makes us question the integrity and reliability of our own trucks (until we realize it's a fake issue).
It's pretty brilliant, really. These posts show up in searches by potential Ford truck buyers, and are scared off by an issue that doesn't exist. It even makes us question the integrity and reliability of our own trucks (until we realize it's a fake issue).
If you think that severe underbody rust was a fake issue, you need to visit the salt belt and see for yourself. I can assure you, it is NOT a fake issue. Ford is doing an inadequate job of corrosion protection on the frame.